The Observor

Former Bush Aide Card Is Booed at UMass, Media Spins

2007-05-29T22:17:00.000-04:00

I found this article today at Signs of the Times. It looks as if not only are the great majority of people beginning to really see through the lies the current administration (and, of course, plenty from quite a few previous administrations) have been spouting.
Who knows? Maybe it is the beginning of the End?

Longview News Journal
Tue, 29 May 2007 10:08 EDT

President Bush's former chief of staff Andrew Card was loudly booed by hundreds of students and faculty members as he rose to accept an honorary degree at the University of Massachusetts on Friday.

The boos and catcalls - including those from faculty members who stood onstage with Card - drowned out Provost Charlena Seymour's remarks as she awarded the honorary doctorate in public service. Protesters claim Card lied to the American people in the early days of the Iraq war and should not have been honored at the graduate student commencement.

Roger Conant, right, talks with a hooded Francis Crowe, 88, as she protests the awarding of an honorary degree to former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card before the start of commencement ceremonies at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, Friday, May 25, 2007.

Card smiled slightly while Seymour spoke and raised his hand in thanks, then sat down without speaking.

Afterward he ignored a reporter's question about the protesters. "It was a great honor and a privilege to be here," he said.

The protests were mainly contained to an area in the back of the campus arena, though many of the faculty members onstage joined the three- to four- minute outburst.

Comment: That is clearly a misleading statement - can we say "lie"? The thousands of people in the auditorium joined in with nearly all the students and faculty. That it was a "four minute outburst" says a lot! Watch the video yourself.

One faculty member onstage held a sign: "Card - no honor, no degree." Another sign said, "War criminals go home."

Chancellor John Lombardi declined to comment on the protests or Card's honorary degree.

Before the commencement ceremony, about 100 faculty members and students sang anti-war songs, handed out leaflets and waved signs outside the arena.

Sigrid Schmalzer, an assistant professor of history, said she believes Card was honored because he's well-connected and UMass thought he could somehow help the school.

"For the university to so cynically disregard the question of intellectual integrity when it becomes convenient to pursue money and power is the wrong message to send," she said.

Card, a former Massachusetts lawmaker who received his undergraduate degree at the University of South Carolina, has said he was honored to be selected and is a supporter of UMass.

Opponents tried unsuccessfully for days leading up to the ceremony to get the university to change its mind.

"Andrew Card was Bush's chief of staff from 2000 to 2006. By about 2004, he should be saying, 'Look, either these policies change, or I'm going to resign,'" said economics instructor John Stifler.

Israel confirms it is a Rogue State

2006-07-15T14:13:00.000-04:00

And it has been ever since it's conception!

Bold and controversial statements usually demand substantial proof if they are to be believed.

I can agree with this and have personally observed cases in which proof was offered as to the validity of statments and cases where no such proof is submitted.

If one actually had the chutzpa (as the Jews would say it) to examine the history and the pre-history of the State of Israel, they would undoubtedly discover that it was machinations by the Zionist cabal which first collaborated with the Nazis to hand over those 'jews' which they did not find desirable to populate their proposed 'Israel' and assisted Hitler and his henchmen to round them up and do whatever was desired with them.

The second step was to get the League of Nations to legitimize the claim of the Zionists that the ancestral home of the Jewish peoples was indeed that part of the world which was currently occupied by Palestinians, and had been for centuries, but somehow, the Jews were 'entitled' to this land because some Jews (and not even the 'European Jews' who were now claiming they had some right to this land) had lived there millenia ago. It would take little effort in researching what then occurred since there are plenty of records available to begin to understand that the objective of these Zionists who controlled what next happened in Israel was to drive out with any means possible the original inhabitants of Palestine and have it all to themselves.

"Any means possible" means just that! Terrorism, murder, threats, brutality were many of the methods used to displace the original residents from their homes of centuries. And it has all continued to the present day.

If this were not enough evil to digest, there is more. The 'more' is that Israel desires not just the Palestinian lands which they have now almost completely displaced the original inhabitants from, but the entire Middle East.

Witness now the nearly unrestricted campaign against Lebanon and the wanton slaughter of the civilians there which is not any different than what they have been doing to the Palestinians for decades.

Of course, the lock-step permissivness of the US with the inane statement by Bush that "Israel has the right to 'defend' itself is nothing more than an affirmation that not only is the US Government almost completely 'run' by the Zionist (think Nazi as a synonym) State of Israel, but that the US itself has been a Rogue Nation itself for at least the last 50 years. If you don't want to think this is true, research how the US has been subjecting so many nations around the world to their 'rule' - which amounts to economic and political servitude to the giant corporations who make billions from this sort of thing.

Of course, one gets the impression from the news media that a 'terrorist' is some Palestinian kid who is so frustrated by the barbarism of the Israelis that he throws a rock at a tank! The REAL TERRORISTS are those who commit genocide and many other unspeakable crimes against humanity in their quest for conquest and other people's goods and territory. They bomb, starve, torture and rape any and all who stand in the way of their objectives!

This is the way I see it!

Companion Stars and Cometary Showers: Doomsday?

2006-05-09T03:52:00.000-04:00

I am re-posting this article by Laura Knight Jadczyk at the blog of the same name because I think it is extremely important for everyone who has any curiosity about the world they live in to have the information contained within.

So, without further preamble here is the article:

Companion Stars and Cometary Showers: Doomsday?

It's been another busy week at QFG HQ. I haven't had much time to write, but today I'm going to make up for it. There are a couple of items in the news that I want to talk about, but first I want to give some background.

Yesterday, someone posted in our forum the following:

I have been noticing trend in the design of the signs website. There is no longer the HEAVY Cassiopaean presence. I have nothing against Cassiopaean but, when I previously tried too show anyone this site they are like " Cassiopaeam= cULT", OR THIS IS WAY TO OUT THERE FOR ME. Now it is more in line with the flash video of the site.

Best news gathered from all over

Top notch commentary and highlighting of key points

Monthly roundups of news

And the POD CASTS

A fair and objective view on the world news and how things are going and why. We do not need it to be heavy relating to Cassiopaean, you can relate the news to cassiopaean on the cassipean site/yahoo group. You would have a much better target audience for it there. WE should be trying to get a target audience here of the GENERAL public. The Cassiopaean aspect of site use to dissolves any of the credit the site had. I love it now i can cite the site to everyone, no one thinks it some whacked out crazy persons site anymore.

Now, I know some of you might be mad at me for saying this, but we should continue this trend on the site.

Well, it's certainly gratifying to know that this individual realizes that we do have the BEST news gathered from allover, that our commentary is "top notch," and that he really likes the PodCasts. (They are going to be even better in the coming months - we have some great guests lined up for later in the summer). I'm even somewhat in agreement with him about the de-emphasizing of the Cassiopaean Experiment. Yeah, I know that there are people that can't deal with "the strange and mysterious" on any terms, but there are other people who, while not particularly interested in strange phenomena, could have benefitted from our work in other areas, but were "warned off" by the COINTELPRO that was launched against us almost as soon as I began publishing the material.

As it happened, another forum poster responded to the above quoted comments as follows:

...it sounds like you're embarassed about the basis of the work presented here, and since you don't grok it, you want that aspect to 'go away' so you can link the site to your friends without having to 'not explain' the Cassiopaean aspect. I find that absolutely fascinating since without the Cassiopaeans, none of us would be here presenting or discussing these topics today.

That is kinda the crux of the matter. All of that great news gathering, commentary, podcasts and so on would not even exist if it were not for the underpinning of the Cassiopaean perspective on the world which can be boiled down as follows:

Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."

But again, I do understand the first poster's point of view. Since we do have the best, cleanest, most objective news and commentary site on the internet, bar none, it IS a good idea to appeal to a wider audience and to keep in mind that the masses of humanity are still under the sway of the Mind Control Machine (Official Culture) that makes our total open-mindedness and willingness to go "where angels fear to tread" a bit unsettling.

As it happens, Ark and I are admirers of the celebrated British mathematician, William Kingdon Clifford whose books, papers, and research made important contributions to the enormous scientific progress of the 19th century.

Bertrand Russell noted in 1945, that, besides being a mathematician, Clifford was a great philosopher who: "saw all knowledge, even the most abstract, as part of the general life of mankind, and as concerned in the endeavour to make human existence less petty, less superstitious and less miserable."

Among William Clifford's many friends were Thomas Huxley, George Eliot, Lord Morley, Frederick Pollock, John Tyndall, and Leslie Stephen. Among his academic contemporaries were James Clerk Maxwell, Lord Kelvin, Arthur Cayley, J.J. Sylvester, Oliver Lodge, Karl Pearson, H. J. S. Smith of Oxford, C.F. Klein, H. von Helmholtz, Hermann Grassmann, Ludwig Boltzmann, J. Willard Gibbs and C.S. Pierce.

Clifford was, at the beginning of his career at Cambridge, an ardent High Churchman. His belief in Catholic theology was a result of his family background and his studies of St. Thomas Aquinas at King's College in London. Clifford participated in religious debates in which he attempted to reconcile advances in scientific thought with traditional Christian beliefs. As time went by, he found his early formal Christian faith becoming eroded, and his skepticism grew. By his third year at Cambridge, he had become an eloquent and zealous advocate of agnosticism, and later, of atheism.

In a certain sense, you could say that we, too, are athiests. After all, the C's do not purport to be "angels," but rather "we are YOU in the future." It is all purely scientific. And we fervently believe that there is no possibility of solving the world's problems without pure and true science. We are further convinced that scientific methods ought to be applied to religion and belief systems. After all, if it were shown that the basis of all existence is consciousness, as the Cassiopaean communications tell us, and that the three main monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - are merely control systems set up to create "us against them" scenarios to further the purposes of the global elites, then people would see the "man behind the curtain" and turn away from the war mongering in disgust.

Getting back to Clifford: he studied literature, history, and languages including Arabic, Greek and Sanskrit; he was very much interested in "all methods of conveying thought."

Soon after his arrival at Cambridge, Clifford was invited to join the Cambridge Conversazione Society, founded in 1826 and known as The Apostles. Frederick Pollock's father had been a member and provides a description of The Apostles that sounds amazingly like our Quantum Future Group:

Their number was very few, and their mode of election was the most remarkable I have ever known. The vacancies were exceedingly rare - perhaps one or two in the course of the year - and the utmost care and study were bestowed on choosing the new members. Sometimes months were given to the consideration of a man's claim.

Rank neither told for a man nor against him. The same with riches, the same with learning and, what is more strange, the same with intellectual gifts of all kinds. The same too with goodness; nor even were the qualities that make a man agreeable any sure recommendation of him as a candidate...

The man was not to talk the talk of any clique; he was not to believe much in any of his adventitious advantages, neither was he to disbelieve in them - for instance to affect to be radical because he was a lord.

I confess I have no one word which will convey all that I mean; but I tell you that above all things he was to be open -minded. When we voted for a man we generally summed him up by saying, "He has an Apostolic spirit in him" ... no honour ever affected me so much as the being elected, as a youth, into that select body ... and some of the foremost men of the time belonged to that society.

This society was a group through which, as Henry Sidgwick, the great nineteenth century moral philosopher described it, members acquired "a belief that we could learn, and a determination that we will learn, from people of the most opposite opinions. "

This accurately describes the "spirit" and composition of the Quantum Future Group.

William Clifford enunciated his ideas about the necessity for science to alleviate the sufferings of humanity in story about Sir Walter Raleigh, delivered as a dramatic dialogue at the age of twenty-four. He said:

Now, as then, there is a Dorado, meant for the good of all men, the gift of Him who sends rain upon the just and upon the unjust. The student of science lives in the consciousness that at any moment that may be revealed to him which shall change utterly the whole face of society, and alleviate in an enormous degree the physical miseries of mankind. And now, as then, there is the danger lest that which is meant for the good of all should be perverted into an instrument of evil; lest, after all, the only result should be that another portion of conquered Nature is cursed for the sake of man.

Ark advocates that everyone should act as if the fate of the universe depends on his actions even in the most trivial of situations. To do the "right" thing requires knowledge, perspicacity, and concern for all humanity. This is the principle of non-linear dynamics that is best expressed in the story of the Butterfly Effect.

The "Butterfly Effect" is often ascribed to Lorenz. In a paper in 1963 given to the New York Academy of Sciences he remarks: One meteorologist remarked that if the theory were correct, one flap of a seagull's wings would be enough to alter the course of the weather forever. By the time of his talk at the December 1972 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, D.C. the sea gull had evolved into the more poetic butterfly - the title of his talk was " Predictability: Does the Flap of a Butterfly’s Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?"

Well, as mentioned above, it does seem that the "Powers That Be" saw the Cassiopaean Experiment as just such a "Butterfly Event" that must be damped at all costs. Even though we have sidelined the Cassiopaean material itself, our websites nevertheless represent the fact that we are dynamically living the precept that "Life IS religion," and that it is knowledge that protects, and paying close attention to Objective Reality - and acting based on knowledge - binds one to the future.

STILL, having said all that, I want to talk about a few things here that are of some importance relating to the Cassiopaean Material.

Over the past few years, we have been saying repeatedly that there is something up in the Cosmos, and it isn't going to be just business as usual for the next few years. We have even speculated that whatever it is, the Powers That Be are somewhat more aware of it than the general public, and that, in fact, they are hiding a lot of things from the masses of humanity.

First of all, there is the issue of so-called UFOs. Let's deal with it and get it out of the way because there is something important to get to today.

Almost thirty years ago, I received my first formal training in hypnosis. Over the years, I not only sought out additional training, I employed this skill on behalf of many troubled individuals. Until 1994, I had never encountered what is popularly known as an "abductee" - that is, an individual claiming to have been abducted by alleged aliens. I have to admit that when I did, it presented certain problems both in terms of having a well-established technique to deal with it, as well as my own categories of what is or is not possible.

I often tell people in a sort of joking way: of all the people who never wanted to know anything about aliens and UFOs, I deserve a place at the head of the line. Very few people really understand how deeply serious this remark is. When I opened the door to consider the possibility - quite remote as I thought - of the possibility of "other worldly visitors, life as I knew it ended. That was eleven years ago. But then, a completely new life was born from the ashes. And so, here I am producing a book about UFOs and aliens. The road from there to here has been difficult, to understate the matter, and complicated by all the High Strangeness that seems to surround the subject.

The term "high strangeness" is attributed to Dr. J. Allen Hynek who addressed the United Nations on the subject of UFOs on November 27, 1978 in the following way:

Mr. Chairman, there exists today a world-wide phenomenon... indeed if it were not world- wide I should not be addressing you and these representatives from many parts of the world. There exists a global phenomenon the scope and extent of which is not generally recognized. It is a phenomenon so strange and foreign to our daily terrestrial mode of thought that it is frequently met by ridicule and derision by persons and organizations unacquainted with the facts. […]

I refer, of course, to the phenomenon of UFOs... Unidentified Flying Objects... which I should like to define here simply as "any aerial or surface sighting, or instrumental recording (e.g., radar, photography, etc.) which remains unexplained by conventional methods even after competent examination by qualified persons.

You will note, Mr. Chairman, that this definition says nothing about little green men from outer space, or manifestations from spiritual realms, or various psychic manifestations. It simply states an operational definition. A cardinal mistake, and a source of great confusion, has been the almost universal substitution of an interpretation of the UFO phenomenon for the phenomenon itself.

This is akin to having ascribed the Aurora Borealis to angelic communication before we understood the physics of the solar wind.

Nonetheless, in the popular mind the UFO phenomenon is associated with the concept of extra-terrestrial intelligence and this might yet prove to be correct in some context. […]

We have on record many tens of thousands of UFO reports… they include extremely intriguing and provocative accounts of strange events experienced by highly reputable persons... events which challenge our present conception of the world about us and which may indeed signal a need for a change in some of these concepts. […]

Mr. Chairman, any phenomenon which touches the lives of so many people, and which engenders puzzlement and even fear among them, is therefore not only of potential scientific interest and significance but also of sociological and political significance, especially since it carries with it many implications of the existence of intelligences other than our own. […]

Speaking then for myself as an astronomer, and I believe for many of my colleagues as well, there is no longer any question in my mind of the importance of this subject. […]

Mr. Chairman, I have not always held the opinion that UFOs were worthy of serious scientific study. I began my work as Scientific Consultant to the U.S. Air Force as an open skeptic, in the firm belief that we were dealing with a mental aberration and a public nuisance. Only in the face of stubborn facts and data similar to those studied by the French commission... have I been forced to change my opinion.[…]

The UFO phenomenon, as studied by my colleagues and myself, bespeaks the action of some form of intelligence... but whence this intelligence springs, whether it is truly extra-terrestrial, or bespeaks a higher reality not yet recognized by science, or even if it be in some way or another a strange psychic manifestation of our own intelligence, is much the question. We seek your help, Mr. Chairman, in assisting scientists, and particularly those already associated with the many formal and informal investigative organizations around the world, by providing a clearing house procedure whereby the work already going on globall

I would like to draw your attention to particular remarks made by Dr. Hynek in the passage quoted above:

…a global phenomenon … so strange and foreign to our daily terrestrial mode of thought… it carries with it many implications of the existence of intelligences other than our own … [It] bespeaks the action of some form of intelligence... but whence this intelligence springs, whether it is truly extra-terrestrial, or bespeaks a higher reality not yet recognized by science, or even if it be in some way or another a strange psychic manifestation of our own intelligence, is much the question.

These remarks address the "High Strangeness" factor. "High strangeness" describes those UFO cases that are not only peculiar, but can often be utterly absurd. In some cases, there are events before, during, and after the "sighting proper" imbued with elements of time and space distortion, bizarre synchronicities, strange states of consciousness, beings that act absurd, strange 'creatures' associated with the sighting, but not necessarily part of the sighting, anomalous phone calls, electronic glitches, paranormal events including poltergeist type activity, and what are popularly known as MIB - Men in Black.

French scientist, Jacques Vallee writes in a paper about High Strangeness:

A primary objection to the reality of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena events among scientists is that witnesses consistently report objects whose seemingly absurd behavior “cannot possibly” be related to actual phenomena, even under extreme conditions. […] Skeptics insist that superior beings, celestial ambassadors or intelligent extraterrestrial (ETI) visitors simply would not perpetrate such antics as are reported in the literature.

In one case, a farmer in Minnesota, Mr. Simonton, claimed that a craft hovered in his barnyard and strange swarthy oriental looking men offered him a jug which he filled with water and they gave him pancakes. Dr. Hynek had the little cakes analyzed and found they lacked any salt content. French Scientist Jacques Vallee noted that saltless cakes are often a feature of fairy myths.

Another case was that of a Belgian farmer who saw a UFO land in his field. He approached the craft and a small "alien" came up to him and asked him for the time! The farmer replied with the requested information. The alien told him he was wrong and pointed a wand at him which paralyzed him until the alien had departed in his craft. When the authorities investigated the case, they found a circle of destroyed flora on the landing site, and it was reported that even the soil was damaged from something like extreme heat exposure.

When you read enough raw data from the many thousands of cases, you get the deep impression that the witnesses are telling the truth about what they have experienced. Why would a couple of farmers make up such ridiculous, nonsensical stories? Testimony was obtained to show their mental stability and competence. They never made any money from their stories, and they certainly weren't after fame. In fact, they suffered more from telling their stories than if they had just kept quiet.

Such cases are not isolated. There are many with such bizarre elements. Something is certainly happening to these people and it is something that has both physical and psychological components. Nevertheless, this High Strangeness factor is a problem because it’s all too easy to dismiss or ignore such “reports” because of these ridiculous claims. One has to wonder if this "High Strangeness" isn't deliberate - and for that very reason. This brings us to consider the signal to noise factor.

Dr. Hynek wrote in a paper presented at the AIAA 13th Aerospace Sciences Meeting Pasadena, Calif., January 20-22, 1975, entitled "The Emerging Picture of the UFO Problem":

But one element that is common to all scientific endeavor is the problem of signal-to-noise ratio; in the UFO phenomenon this problem is a major one. The UFO problem is, initially, a signal-to-noise problem. The noise is, and has been, so great that the existence of a signal has been seriously questioned. Isaac Asimov, whom no one could accuse of lacking in imagination, writes:

"Eyewitness reports of actual space ships and actual extraterrestrials are, in themselves, totally unreliable. There have been numerous eyewitness reports of almost everything that most rational people do not care to accept - of ghosts, angels, levitation, zombies, werewolves, and so on... The trouble is, that whatever the UFO phenomenon is, it comes and goes unexpectedly. There is no way of examining it systematically. It appears suddenly and accidentally, is partially seen, and then is more or less inaccurately reported. We remain dependent on occasional anecdotal accounts."

In the December 14, 1974 issue of TV Guide, a media magazine with a very great circulation and hence powerful in forming public opinion.

Here we see a very important part of the UFO problem, that of the presentation of data to men of science, and to men, like Asimov and others who excel in writing about science.

Scientific efforts can be seriously hampered if the popular image of a subject is grossly misleading. Funds can be curtailed and good men of science who wish to give time to the subject are apt to face misrepresentation whenever their work receives any public attention. Ball lightning is just as much an unkown as the UFO phenomenon, yet scientists can openly discuss these "balls of light" but are likely to be censured if they talk about similar unidentified lights which last much longer, are brighter, and move over greater distances, but are labeled UFOs. Proper presentation of the UFO phenomenon to the media may not seem an integral part of the UFO problem, per se, but its effects loom large.

The signal-to-noise aspect of the UFO problem is aggravated to a high degree because the signal is a totally unexpected signal, and represents an entirely new set of empirical observations which do not fit into any existing framework in any of the accepted scientific disciplines. One may even contemplate that the signal itself signals the birth of a new scientific discipline.

I return to the out-of-hand dismissal of the UFO phenomenon by persons like Isaac Asimov, in part, because of the poor presentation of the data to such persons. This is an important facet of the UFO problem itself and must be taken into account if we are to make any progress with the study of the signal.

An analogy may be useful here: In the isolation of radium, Mme. Curie was obliged to work through tons of pitchblende to obtain a minuscule amount of radium. Yet there was no question of the signal in the "pitchblende noise". The radioactivity of the pitchblende was unquestioned. Let us suppose that instead there had been a rumor - an old wive's tale, or an alchemist's story - that there existed a miraculous unknown element which could be used in the transmutation of elements, and which had miraculous healing powers and other exotic properties. Would any scientist, on the basis of such an alchemist's tale, have done what Mme. Curie did to lift the signal out of the noise of tons of pitchblende ? Hardly. Mme. Curie knew that there was a signal - it wasn't a rumor. And although the labor was immense, there was a definite, scientifically accepted methodology for separating the signal from the noise.

Now, in the UFO problem we did not know at the start that there was a signal - there were merely tales, unacceptable to scientists as a body. Only those of us, through a long exposure to the subject, or motivated by a haunting curiosity to work in the field and to get our hands dirty with the raw data, came to know there was a signal.

We know that we cannot find a trivial solution to the problem, i.e., a common sense solution that the phenomenon is either entirely a matter of misidentification, hallucinations, and hoaxes, or a known phenomenon of nature, e.g., of a meteorological nature. We know that there exists a subset of UFO reports of high strangeness and high witness credibility for which no one - and I emphasize - no one, has been able to ascribe a viable explanation. But the Isaac Asimovs and the trained scientists, as well as large segments of the public, do not know this. And we cannot expect them to know this unless we present data to them properly, and thus provide motivation to study the subject. We who have worked in the UFO field are somewhat in the position of Einstein who wrote to Arnold Sommerfeld in response to Sommerfelds' skepticism of the General Theory of Relativity:

"You will accept the General Theory of Relativity when you have studied it. Therefore I will not utter a word in its defense."

Emotional defense of the UFO phenomenon is pointless; the facts, properly presented, must speak for themselves.

With the noise level so high, and with the popular interpretation of UFOs as visitors from outer space rather than simply what their initials stand for, Unidentified Flying Objects - an unidentified phenomenon whose origin we do not know - it is very difficult for one to be motivated to study the subject.

The noise in the UFO problem is two-fold. There is the obvious noise, and also the more "sophisticated" noise, which might even be part of the signal. The obvious noise is akin to that well known to any scientist. An astronomer recognizes the noise of errors of observation, of instrumental errors, or that introduced by atmospheric distortion, by photon statistics, etc.

In our problem the noise is likewise comprised of errors of observation (though to a much greater degree), but also to wishful thinking, deliberate substitution of interpretation of an event for the event itself, as, "I saw a space ship last night" for "I saw a light in the sky last night", and the totally extraneous noise of the unbalanced imaginations of the pseudo-religious fanatics who propagate unfounded stories and who uncritically accept anything and everything that appeals to their warped imaginations. […]

The question of whether the UFO phenomenon is a manifestation of some type of intelligence, whether extraterrestrial, "meta-terrestrial", or indeed some aspect of our own, is a critical one.

Certainly, in those close encounter cases in which creatures or occupants, ostensibly the pilots of the craft, are reported, intelligent behavior of some sort seems obvious. Even if the occupants are robots, a more distant intelligence is implied. The almost universally reported response to detection by these occupants is an important part of the picture; upon detection the creatures are reported to disappear quickly and take off. Except in certain cases, there appears to be no desire for any involvement with the human race. […]

Given the elements of the present picture of the UFO phenomenon, it is clear that any viable hypothesis that meets these picture elements satisfactorilly will be, according to present views, "far out".

There have been other times in the history of science when striking departures from classical concepts were necessary. Since new hypotheses must in some way use present knowledge as a springboard, it is a sobering thought to contemplate that the gap between the springboard of the known and a viable UFO hypothesis might even be so great as to prevent the formulation of an acceptable hypothesis at present.

Thus, for example, only a century ago, an inconsequential period of time in total history, the best scientific minds could not have envisioned the nuclear processes which we now feel certain take place in the deep interiors of stars. The question of energy production on the sun capable of maintaining the sun's prodigious outflow of energy for hundreds of millions of years - a time period demanded by the fossil history millions of years - was simply not answerable by any hypothesis conceivable to the scientists of a century ago.

It is indeed sobering, yet challenging, to consider that the entire UFO phenomenon may be only the tip of the proverbial iceberg in a signalling an entirely new domain of the knowledge of nature as yet totally unexplored, as unexplored and as unimagined as nuclear processes would have been a century ago.

Dr.Hynek is often referred to as the father of rigorous scientific UFO investigation. He was a scientific consultant for the Air Force's UFO investigation, Project Bluebook which later research shows to have been intended to debunk the subject. But after studying so many credible cases, Dr.Hynek was to go on to found the Center For UFO Studies (CUFOS). He also invented the classification for UFO sightings, terming the phrase 'Close Encounter.' He is the author of the landmark UFO book, The UFO Experience: A Scientific Study. Dr.Hynek served as director of CUFOS until his passing in 1986.

Regarding Hynek's idea that we may be dealing with "an entirely new domain of the knowledge of nature, his friend and associate, Jacques Vallee has interesting comments to make:

[…]current hypotheses are not strange enough to explain the facts of the phenomenon, and the debate suffers from a lack of scientific information. Indeed, from the viewpoint of modern physics, our Cosmic Neighborhood could encompass other (parallel) universes, extra spatial dimensions and other time-like dimensions beyond the common 4-dimensional spacetime we recognize, and such aspects could lead to rational explanations for apparently “incomprehensible” behaviors on the part of entities emerging into our perceived continuum.

As it attempts to reconcile theory with observed properties of elementary particles and with discoveries at the frontiers of cosmology, modern physics suggests that mankind has not yet discovered all of the universe’s facets, and we must propose new theories and experiments in order to explore these undiscovered facets. This is why continuing study of reported anomalous events is important: It may provide us with an existence theorem for new models of physical reality.

Much of the recent progress in cosmological concepts is directly applicable to the problem: Traversable wormholes (3-dimensional hypersurface tunnels) have now been derived from Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity (Morris and Thorne, 1988; Visser, 1995). In particular, it has been shown that Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity does not in any way constrain spacetime topology, which allows for wormholes to provide traversable connections between regions within two separate universes or between remote regions and/or times within the same universe.

Mathematically it can also be shown that higher-dimensional wormholes can provide hypersurface connections between multidimensional spaces (Rucker, 1984; Kaku, 1995).

Recent quantum gravity programs have explored this property in superstring theory, along with proposals to theoretically and experimentally examine macroscopic-scale extra-dimensional spaces (Schwarzschild, 2000).

Thus it is now widely acknowledged that the nature of our universe is far more complex than observations based on anthropocentric self-selection portend. […]

No experiment can distinguish between phenomena manifested by visiting interstellar (arbitrarily advanced) ETI and intelligent entities that may exist near Earth within a parallel universe or in different dimensions, or who are (terrestrial) time travelers. […]

If we must formulate a view of the problem in a single statement at this point, that statement will be:

Everything works as if UAPs were the products of a technology that integrates physical and psychic phenomena and primarily affects cultural variables in our society through manipulation of physiological and psychological parameters in the witnesses.

[ Incommensurability, Orthodoxy and the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena: Jacques F. Vallee and Eric W. Davis , National Institute for Discovery Science , Las Vegas, Nevada ]

Recently, someone asked me what I thought about the alleged "relationship" between the "Secret Government," or "National Security State" and so-called aliens. I responded that I didn't think there WAS a relationship, that such a purported relationship was most likely the product of COINTELPRO. Since Richard Dolan has documented that the US government is still scrambling jets to chase and try to shoot down UFOs, it seems pretty apparent that there is NO relationship. If you combine that fact with the "noise" factor that Hynek describes above, which is most certainly produced by COINTELPRO debunkers and mass media vectors, the situation that is suggested is quite disturbing. There are certainly elements of the government that know more than the general public does, and that they have chosen this course of action: creating noise while continuing to pursue the subject themselves, and behaving as though the UFOs are definite threats, does not bode well for anyone. As for the so-called "contactees" of the New Age, you can write them off as Hynek did as the totally extraneous noise of the unbalanced imaginations of the pseudo-religious fanatics who propagate unfounded stories and who uncritically accept anything and everything that appeals to their warped imaginations. In this respect, they are certainly part of COINTELPRO as well, even if many of them are unconscious of this fact. Certainly, considering that the US government IS as interested in UFOs as it obviously is based on the fact that the subject is still classified Above Top Secret, if any of the New Agey types were REALLY having contacts with aliens of any sort, they would be picked up, sequestered and interrogated. Nowadays, that might even include torture...

But they aren't. They are allowed to publish and promote their nonsense unmolested. They don't even get branded as "dangerous cults." It's only when people like us come along and seek to study the whole thing scientifically, and at the same time, are able to produce material such as the Cassiopaean Transmissions that expose the whole UFO/Secret Government non-relationship that the "dangerous cult" label gets hauled out.

As I have written in my books and publications on our website, and elsewhere, I have NEVER seen an alien that I know of. I certainly have as good an imagination as the average person if I need it to solve a problem, but after raising five children, there is little "imaginative flying" going on in my head and a lot of being practical and finding out what is really going on.

Until I was 41 years old, I never saw anything that I might have thought - by any stretch of the imagination - could be a UFO, and when, at that late date, I finally did see something of such extraordinary configuration and behavior, I immediately tried to find a "plausible excuse" for it so I could "go back to sleep." But, as Hynek said, there are certainly things for which we cannot find a common sense solution. It is at such a point, when all avenues of identification and explanation have been exhausted, that the individual who is "motivated by a haunting curiosity" goes to work in the field, gets their hands dirty in the raw data, and realizes that there is, most certainly, a signal even if it is a signal that suggests an intelligence so strange and foreign to our daily terrestrial mode of thought that we are stunned by the implication. That implication can be shattering to our sense of safety: that the UFO phenomenon may be signalling "an entirely new domain of the knowledge of nature as yet totally unexplored, as unexplored and as unimagined as nuclear processes would have been a century ago." After a certain amount of research, after facing the High Strangeness factor repeatedly, I understood clearly something that Jacques Vallee proposes in his paper cited above:

The cognitive mismatch or Incommensurability Problem between human and ET cultures will guarantee that the latter will develop communication techniques other than radio. ET cultures may be sending radio and optical signals to Earth now but they may also be sending signals in a variety of other forms such as holographic images, psychic or other consciousness-related signals, modulated neutrinos, gamma ray bursters, wormhole-modulated starlight caustics, signals generated by gravitational lensing techniques, modulated X-rays, quantum teleported signals, or some quantum field theoretic effect, etc.[ibid]

Vallee has touched upon the very issues that my husband, Arkadiusz Jadczyk, has discussed in his own writings. Most of what Ark has written on the subject was published by him long before Vallee wrote the above paper, though it seems likely that Vallee was moving in this direction for quite some time as evidenced in his book: Forbidden Science. In the Epilogue of that book, Vallee talks a little bit about physics, parallel realities, hyperspace etc.:

"Cosmology now recognizes the possibility, indeed the inevitability, of multiple universes with more than four dimensions. Communication and travel within our universe are no longer thought to be absolutely constrained by the speed of light and a constant arrow of time. Even travel into the past may be considered without necessarily creating insurmountable paradoxes. This is a tremendously exciting development. It opens up vast new realms for theoretical and experimental endeavor."

Then he continues:

"If we look at the world from an informational point of view, and if we consider the many complex ways in which time and space may be structured, the old idea of space travel and interplanetary craft to which most technologists are still clinging appears not only obsolete, but ludicrous. Indeed, modern physics has already bypassed it, offering a very different interpretation of what "extraterrestrial" system might look like."

And finally he adds:

"For some time various knowledgeable friends have urged me to take my research behind the scenes again. I intend to follow their advice. I cannot justify remaining associated with the field of ufology as it presents itself to the public today. Furthermore, I suspect that the phenomenon displays a very different structure once you leave behind the parochial disputes that disfigure the debate, confusing the researchable issues that interest me. The truly important scientific questions are elsewhere."[ Jacques Vallee, Forbidden Science, ISBN: 1556431252, Publisher: North Atlantic Books (August, 1992)]

While it is true that Dr. Hynek, Dr. Vallee, and my husband, Ark, were working for years in the direction of these ideas, what is amazing is that the Cassiopaean Communications - myself in the future - also discussed the same things in considerable detail with me, an amateur whose driving interest was in finding out why the world was the way it was and what is the role of humanity within it. Certainly, this is often the same driver that operates in scientists - those scientists who actually do "good science" with an open mind - but it necessarily has different results from the efforts of the layperson in most cases. In my own case, however, the results have been quite similar: scientific theories and mind-expanding concepts regarding an "entirely new domain of the knowledge of nature". This was the gift of the Cassiopaeans. This is what undepins all our work.

At the same time, there is much in the Cassiopaean Material that is strikingly similar to philosophical concepts native to certain esoteric teachings, most particularly Sufi and ideas brought forward by Georges Gurdjieff and Boris Mouravieff. Both of the latter claim to be presenting something called "Esoteric Christianity." What I have discovered in my own research - aided by clues from the Cassiopaean Transmissions - is that this "Esoteric Christianity" is quite similar to Archaic Siberian Shamanism, the degraded remnant of what must have been the "religion" of the Northern Peoples - the Megalith builders - in prehistoric times. I have traced these developments and laid out all the clues in my book The Secret History of The World.

How we view our world and our place in it is entirely dependent on what we know about what went before. What became overwhelmingly apparent as I continued in my research was that the true history of man has been so distorted by "official culture" as to make it almost impossible for the average person to really understand why the world is as it is, and what possible role humanity may play in the grander scheme of things.

Tracking the processes of history certainly gave me an uneasy feeling that there was some sort of "pattern" to it which certainly could not be a conspiracy in human terms. Until I opened my mind to the possibility of "hyperdimensional interactions with humanity," and began to consider the many implications of such ideas - most particularly time loops and alternate universes - nothing about the history of mankind made any sense at all.

Now, having said all of the above, I want to turn to some events of recent times that directly relate to things the Cassiopaeans - myself in the future - have discussed in some detail.

The first is an article entitled: Evidence Mounts that Our Sun May Have a Companion

NEWPORT BEACH, CA -- The Binary Research Institute (BRI) has found that orbital characteristics of the recently discovered planetoid, "Sedna", demonstrate the possibility that our sun might be part of a binary star system.

A binary star system consists of two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. Once thought to be highly unusual, such systems are now considered to be common in the Milky Way galaxy.

Walter Cruttenden at BRI, Professor Richard Muller at UC Berkeley, Dr. Daniel Whitmire of the University of Louisiana, amongst several others, have long speculated on the possibility that our sun might have an as yet undiscovered companion.

Most of the evidence has been statistical rather than physical. The recent discovery of Sedna, a small planet like object first detected by Cal Tech astronomer Dr. Michael Brown, provides what could be indirect physical evidence of a solar companion.

Matching the recent findings by Dr. Brown, showing that Sedna moves in a highly unusual elliptical orbit, Cruttenden has determined that Sedna moves in resonance with previously published orbital data for a hypothetical companion star.

In the May 2006 issue of Discover, Dr. Brown stated: "Sedna shouldn't be there. There's no way to put Sedna where it is. It never comes close enough to be affected by the sun, but it never goes far enough away from the sun to be affected by other stars... Sedna is stuck, frozen in place; there's no way to move it, basically there's no way to put it there - unless it formed there. But it's in a very elliptical orbit like that. It simply can't be there. There's no possible way - except it is. So how, then?"

"I'm thinking it was placed there in the earliest history of the solar system. I'm thinking it could have gotten there if there used to be stars a lot closer than they are now and those stars affected Sedna on the outer part of its orbit and then later on moved away. So I call Sedna a fossil record of the earliest solar system. Eventually, when other fossil records are found, Sedna will help tell us how the sun formed and the number of stars that were close to the sun when it formed."

Walter Cruttenden agrees that Sedna's highly elliptical orbit is very unusual, but noted that the orbit period of 12,000 years is in neat resonance with the expected orbit periodicity of a companion star as outlined in several prior papers.

Consequently, Cruttenden believes that Sedna's unusual orbit is something indicative of the current solar system configuration, not merely a historical record. "It is hard to imagine that Sedna would retain its highly elliptical orbit pattern since the beginning of the solar system billions of years ago. Because eccentricity would likely fade with time, it is logical to assume Sedna is telling us something about current, albeit unexpected solar system forces, most probably a companion star".

Outside of a few popular articles, and Cruttenden's book "Lost Star of Myth and Time", which outlines historical references and the modern search for the elusive companion, the possibility of a binary partner star to our sun has been left to the halls of academia.

But with Dr. Brown's recent discoveries of Sedna and Xena, (now confirmed to be larger than Pluto), and timing observations like Cruttenden's, the search for a companion star may be gaining momentum.

Now, you may want to read the Cassiopaean Transcripts on this subject: Binary Stars:Does our Sun have a Dark Companion?
which I published in 1998. If you search for the term "elliptical orbit" you will find the following remark:

And if it has an elliptical orbit... would it, maybe, like, "come and go?"

And then, further on:

Q: (A) I am trying to write down some things about a cosmology, and I have some questions mainly about the coming events. First there was the story of the sun's companion brown star which is apparently approaching the solar system, and I would like to know, if possible, details of its orbit; that is, how far it is, what is its speed, and when it will be first seen. Can we know it? Orbit: how close will it come?

A: Flat eliptical.

Q: (A) But how close will it come?

A: Distance depends upon other factors, such as intersecting orbit of locator of witness.

Q: (L) What is the closest it could come to earth... (A)Solar system... (L) Yes, but which part of the solar system? We have nine planets... which one? (A) I understand that this brown star will enter the Oort cloud... (L) I think they said it just brushes against it and the gravity disturbs it...

A: Passes through Oort cloud on orbital journey. Already has done this on its way "in."

This last remark brings me to the next item that has had my attention for some time: the increase of comets, asteroids, meterorites, fireballs, etc. This is not a subject that you would have been reading about, say, back in 1985 when I first realized that there was a good possibility that the Earth might be bombarded with cometary bodies. Back then, meteorites were small and infrequent. At most, they were "meteor showers" that gave us light shows at certain periods of the year. But, as our Comets, Meteors, Asteroids and NEOs Supplement, produced by that same SOTT team that brings you the greatest news selection on the internet, shows, this is getting to be so frequent that it is amazing.

C's: Ok, change of direction: Oort cloud and comet cluster and sun twin occasionally passing through the former like a bowling ball through pins.

Q: (L) How does the dark star passing through the Oort cloud relate to the comet cluster?

A: Cause and effect. ... Now, think of how your Biblical prophecies speak of a very terrifiying period, followed by an apparent renewal of normalcy, followed by the "End." Your Biblical prophecies speak of a period of terror and chaos followed by calm, and then, unexpectedly, amidst seeming overwhelming peace and renewal and prosperity, the end. What would happen if the brown star that is the sun's twin were to get close enough to be illuminated by the sun?

Q: (T) Well, if it were close enough to be illuminated, the obvious result is that it would be SEEN. People would panic...

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Governments would fall...

A: And terror and chaos. And when it departs again?

Q: (L) Everything will seem to be fine! But, they won't realize that the Oort cloud has been hit! Oh, sugar!

A: And then what?

Q: (L) It is not the Oort cloud or the comets that is going to cause all this terror and carrying on, it is going to be the seeing of the illuminated brown star, which will go away, and then no one will see what is coming! And this IS talked about in both the Bible and Nostradamus - but it was incomprehensible before! Okay, how long will it take the comets to get from the Oort cloud to here?

A: Let us just say that the cluster travels much faster than the usual cometary itinerary.

Q: (T) And this is because they are traveling in the wake of a large sun sized gravity well...

A: And we have spoken of the comet cluster before, and we have told you that this time, it rides the Wave.

Finally, I want to draw your attention to the Near Earth Object Program page where we note that Schwassmann-Wachmann cometary fragments are listed and analyzed.

As a side note: There has been some discussion on our forum about Eric Julien AKA Jean Ederman who is doing a real "doomsday rant" all over the place declaring that the planet is gonna be smacked on May 25th by one of these fragments. Well, Julien/Ederman has been more or less laughed out of France because of his wild stories and strange behavior and the New Age doomsday types in the US have adopted him. Take it from me, Julien/Ederman is NOT a "French Military Source" nor does he have access to same.

Nevertheless, there is something a bit strange about the above Near Earth Object Program. If you look at the page listed above, and look at Schwassmann-Wachmann fragment 3-BD, you will notice that this page lists its minimum distance on May 11 (that's in just a few days, folks) as being 33.7 Lunar Distances.

However, if you take a look at this other Near Earth Object Program page, you see something else: the Miss Distance here is listed as being between 33.7/0.0867 and 0.04/0.00010 . Let me rephrase that last figure: That is, .04 over .00010.

That's a hell of a range, don't you think? Between 33 Lunar Distances and .04 over .00010 Lunar distances??? Strikes me that what this reveals is that the NEO people really don't have things pinned down as securely as they would like us to think.

Now, I'm not doing a doomsday scenario on you or suggesting that there's gonna be a "hit". The point is that there is a lot of very strange stuff going on in the solar system right now and it just may relate to all the crazy stuff going on here on the Big Blue Marble. I also want to point out that it is surpassingly strange that the Christian cultists who prophesy armageddon and the return of Christ and the deaths of most of humanity, and are doing everything they can to facilitate such a scenario, consider these kinds of speculations, supported by science, to be "doomsday ranting." I guess that most of humanity getting killed off by atomic bombs dropped by their hero, George Bush, are not a "doomsday scenario," while talking about the cosmos, (i.e. "God") and its natural processes, including periodic comet clusters slamming through the solar system, and supporting such ideas with science, IS "doomsday ranting."

Nevertheless, it does seem that if the C's were talking in such terms about the Companion Star back in 1996 - ten years ago - and we are now catching up in terms of the real science, maybe we ought to take another look at what the C's have said about other things? After all, it was ten years ago that the C's were talking about the attempted takeover of the planet by a Neo-Nazi Cabal. We see that happening right now with George Bush and the Neocons.

Indeed, the C's seem to be racking up some pretty significant hits.

And THAT is why Signs Of The Times is the best news and commentary site on the internet - probably on the planet.

WHO is J. J. Hurtak...Really?

2006-04-16T23:05:00.000-04:00

This is an interesting and revealing article from the site "Anti CointelPro and Disinformation".

Honestly, it really is amazing the energy and effort some of these types like Hurtak put into the dis-info work they do!

Article begins below:

To kick off this ambitious project, let us have a look at Don JJ Hurtak, the guy who started the whole Keys of Enoch deal and garnered such followers as the young Don Bernard aka Drunvalo Persona. Now a fully fledged psychic mafia Don in his own right.

Don James J "J.J." Hurtak's published bio says:

"J.J. Hurtak, Ph.D., Ph.D., M.Th. is a social scientist and futurist who studied at the University of California and the University of Minnesota."

Now, certainly he does not say that his degrees came from the University of California and the University of Minnesota... he only says he has degrees, followed by the names of two universities where he "studied." However, certainly, a reader would assume from this juxtaposition that his degrees came from those universities.

The fact is that his PhD is in social science and his other PhD in History and Oriental Studies, were obtained from the Universidad Autonoma Metropolitana, Mexico.

Regarding Hurtak's claims to have been at the Uni of California in 1973, we find the following.

The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch® (1973, 1975, 1977) makes the correlation that this Divine Name was the key behind the transcription code of chemical letters which develops the human body. In 1973 while at the University of California, Hurtak came to understand that there was a connection between the series of linguistic and genetic associations in the spelling of God's name in the biblical Hebrew (YHVH).

http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/academy_learning_session__dna.html

Hurtak's bio claims:

"He worked with Dr. Thich Tien-An, Vietnamese Buddhist scholar in establishing the curriculum of studies at the Graduate School of Buddhism, Los Angeles, as well as working with the microfilming of the Tibetan canon in Nepal and India."

Apparently Dr. Thich Thien-An died in 1980. Here is a link with a brief overview of his life in which you will find no reference to Hurtak.

http://www.urbandharma.org/ibmc/ibmc2/suto.html

Ven. Dr. Thich Thien-An came to Southern California in the summer of 1966 as an exchange professor at UCLA. Soon his students discovered he was not only a renowned scholar, but a Zen Buddhist monk as well. His students convinced Dr. Thien-An toteach the practice of meditation and start a study group about the other steps on the Buddhist path, in addition to the academic viewpoint.
Dr. Thien-An died at the age of 54 of cancer which had spread rapidly throughout his body, from his liver to his brain. In his last months, one could often find him sitting peacefully on the steps of the bell tower. It was a gift to be able to sit quietly next to him and feel the energy of his understanding. He had many plans but saw the reality of what was happening. He smiled, as he smiled often, a smile of great compassion and loving-kindness for all the world.

From http://jbe.gold.ac.uk/6/metcalf991.html , a review of a book

"The faces of buddhism in America":

Cuong Nguyen and A. W. Barber, on the other hand, peremptorily dismiss the careers of Thich Nhat Hanh and Thich Tien An (p. 131) and spend their chapter discussing Vietnamese Buddhism in the Vietnamese American community only. [...] And wherever Thich Tien An got his training, his memory has certainly not faded away in Los Angeles, where he is remembered at his flourishing Dharma center, rightly or wrongly, as the first patriarch of American Vietnamese Buddhism.

Again, nowhere is there a mention of J.J. Hurtak.

Hurtak's bio claims: He is President of the International Academy for Future Science.

What is the Academy for Future Science?

Website: http://www.affs.org/index.html

ACADEMY FOR FUTURE SCIENCE
The Academy for Future Science is an international non-profit organisation operating in more than 12 countries since its inception in 1973. Its charter covers the areas of archaeology, anthropology, environment and remote sensing, computers and physics, as well as studies in consciousness and comparative religion. Its work has been represented at the Parliament of the World's Religions (1999),The Millennium Peace Summit ofWorld Religious Leaders (2000), and at many university conferences on the dialogue of science and religion. Its members have been responsible for the updating of the medical curriculum at universities in South Africa and the monitoring of critical environmental areas in Brazil.
Dr. James J. Hurtak, PhD, PhD is President of the Academy for Future Science. He is a social scientist and futurist with two doctorates who studied at the Universities of California and Minnesota. His main concern is the interface between science, religion and the environment. He was a presenter at the recent Parliament of World Religions (1999) in Cape Town.
The Academy For Future Science http://www.affs.org/
P.O. Box FE, Los Gatos CA 95031, USA P.O. Box 35340, Menlo Park, 0102, Pretoria, South Africa

Desiree Hurtak is listed as the admin contact (WhoIs records) for the futurescience.org domain. Turns out she's James (Jim) J. Hurtak's wife. Bio here:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/767.html

The wife of J.J. Hurtak, Desiree Hurtak is an international relations expert and author. Her recent work involves environmental studies and the film documentation of indigenous cultures to preserve their cultural heritage. To this end, she has also studied and written on the philosophies and literature of various ancient cultures including Egypt and Mesoamerica to understand their importance in our evolving society.

They've both been on the show twice in the past 10 months.

Photos of both are here, from the UN Summit on Sustainable Development:

http://www.un.org/events/wssd/photos/020831pressphotos.htm

At another of their websites: http://www.pistissophia.org/

We find:

The Pistis Sophia is a translation and commentary of a special collection of 2,000 year old Gnostic Coptic manuscripts, derived from ancient Egyptian-Coptic Christian Codexes. In the historic period after the early Church became established as the "official religion" of the Roman Empire (325 C.E.), the Pistis Sophia literature was withdrawn. It remains an inner teaching of the Coptic and African communities.
The words Pistis Sophia are Greek for "Faith Wisdom" and represent a teaching given to the disciples of Christ Jesus AFTER his resurrection. Significant for modern times, these are teachings revealed not only to Jesus' male disciples, but also to his female disciples including Mary Magdalene, Martha, and Salome!
At the same time, the Pistis Sophia texts work richly and expoundingly in concert with the Gospel Teachings of Jesus Christ, the work of the Prophets and the Saints, both the Old and the New Testaments as well as many Intertestamental works and The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch.
At the bottom of this page, we see an address (2003) for the Academy of Future Science: PO Box 395, Ava, Mo 65608

Articles from the AFFS,

The Quest to Terraform Mars by D. M. Hurtak, M.S.Sc.
http://www.affs.org/html/the_quest_to_terraform_mars.html

Crisis of the Amazon by J.J. Hurtak, Ph.D., Ph.D.
http://www.affs.org/assets/images/autogen/Crisis_of_the_Amazon_Ns1.gif

An article on Biogmagnetism by H. Coetzee, Ph.D. [Originally published in Future History, Volume 8]
http://www.affs.org/html/biomagnetism.html

We search for info on H. Coetzee, and find a mish mash of various other people with the name, either in Washington state, or in South Africa.

When we check on the referenced journal, Future History, we find it here: http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/journal.html

The Academy for Future Science, i.e. Hurtak, publishes this journal!

Then, there is this.

Laser Remote Sensing by Dr. Edgardo Gerck
Lasertech S.A.
Campinas, SP, Brasil Dr. James J. Hurtak
Lasertech-USA
Los Gatos, California USA

Originally published in International Archives of Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing, Vol. XXIX, 1992, ISPRS, Washington, D.C.

Which leads us to: http://www.isprs.org/isprs.html.......You can see the officials of this organization here

Where you also discover: The headquarter of the Society for the period 2004-2008 is the office of the Secretary General.

Said â€œSecretary General is:
ORHAN ALTAN
Istanbul Technical University
Faculty of Civil Engineering
Department of Geodesy and Photogrammetry
34469 Ayazaga-Istanbul
TURKEY

Here you can find out about their members

For example, the entry for the United States is:
United States American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing
5410 Grosvenor Lane, Suite 210
Bethesda, Maryland 20814-2160, USA
Tel: +1-301-493 0290
Fax: +1-301-493 0208
E-mail: asprs@asprs.org

Number of Individual Members: 6,000

If you have a look at their website, you will read this:

What is ASPRS? Founded in 1934, the American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing (ASPRS) is a scientific association serving over 7,000 professional members around the world. Our mission is to advance knowledge and improve understanding of mapping sciences to promote the responsible applications of photogrammetry, remote sensing, geographic information systems (GIS), and supporting technologies.
"We are extremely proud of our historical roots in imaging science and technology in the form of photogrammetry and remote sensing, and we intend to maintain and build upon our emphasis in this area. However, our membership is focused on imaging not only in the sense of primary data acquisition, but also with respect to the extraction of information from image data in a decision support context," said Lillesand.
"We want to make clear that ASPRS represents a scientific and professional home for a broad array of individuals whose interests span the entire spectrum of geospatial information sciences, technologies, and applications."

In short, it is more or less a spying organization that is also a vacuum cleaner operation. Shades of the CIA!

Here you will find some of the sustaining members of ISPRS:
http://www.isprs.org/members/sustaining.html

Again, as you scan the names of the corporations, you realize that this is nothing more than an organization of psychic spies.

Back to Hurtak: Supposely he was the second in command in the Council of Nine...
See: www.tribwatch.com/aquarian.htm

A Fortean Times article reveals that Hurtak was second in command in the Council of Nine. Note how the mind-control projects of this Council mirror those of Tavistock-Stanford:
Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the history of The Nine is its relationship to the career of Andrija Puharich. Recent research has revealed Puharich to have a distinctly sinister side. As an Army doctor in the 1950s, he was deeply involved with the CIA's notorious MKULTRA mind control project.
He - together with the infamous Dr Sidney Gottlieb - experimented with a variety of techniques to change or induce actual thought processes...even to creating the impression of voices in the head. These techniques included the use of drugs, hypnosis and beaming radio signals directly into the subject's brain. And, significantly, he was engaged in this work at exactly the same time that The Nine made their first appearance at the Round Table Foundation. The Foundation itself is now known to have been largely funded by the Pentagon as a front for its medical and parapsychological research. Puharich was still working for the CIA in the early 1970s, when he brought Uri Geller out of Israel."

Hurtak's bio claims: He has been Director of LASERTECH in Brazil, which developed lasers for industrial and environmental studies in the Amazon.

Here is lasertech's website: http://www.lasertech.com/s_amer.html

No mention of Hurtak there anywhere. But, we have a researcher in Brazil checking on this and may have more details later.

From Hurtak's bio:

"With broad scientific interests in ecology, remote sensing, technology, and alternative energy, as well as belief systems of indigenous cultures, Dr. Hurtak has published eight books and more than 100 articles in eight languages."

It's rather difficult to find these articles: A list of published issues of antigravity news, but the links of Hurtak's publications doesn't work:
http://www.padrak.com/agn/AGPAPER99.html

Bailey, P., Grotz, T., and Hurtak, J., "Survey And Critical Review Of Recent Innovative Energy Conversion Technologies," October 1997. [http://www.padrak.com/ine/BGH97_1.html]

Bailey, P., Grotz, T., and Hurtak, J., "Review And Status of Reported Innovative Energy Conversion Technologies, Contrasted Using A Consistent R&D Ranking Scale," October 1997. [http://www.padrak.com/ine/BGH97_2.html]

A search on the electronic uni library system returns a series of FIVE publications on various journals, examples:

Authors Hurtak JJ.

Institution Academy for Future Science, Los Gatos, CA 95031, USA. jjh@affs.or

G Hurtak JJ. Acupuncture and the cycle of birth as viewed in an historic Japanese medical text. [Historical Article. Journal Article] Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine. 10(2):231-3, 2004 Apr. UI: 15165402
Curtis BD. Hurtak JJ. Consciousness and quantum information processing: uncovering the foundation for a medicine of light. [Review] [77 refs] [Journal Article. Review. Review, Tutorial] Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine. 10(1):27-39, 2004 Feb. UI: 15025876
Hurtak JJ. An overview of acupuncture medicine.[see comment][erratum appears in J Altern Complement Med. 2003 Feb;9(1):179]. [Historical Article. Journal Article] Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine. 8(5):535-8, 2002 Oct. UI: 12470432
Energy technologies for the 21st century: Substitutes for fossil fuel Fuel and Energy Abstracts Volume: 37, Issue: 3, May, 1996, pp. 202 Hurtak, J. J.

One suspects that the hundreds of articles (?) must be in his own publications. Also note that the publications listed above are considered fringe.

From Hurtak's bio: He produced The Voice of Africa, a Study on African Shamanism (1987) and Merkabah: Voyage of a Star Seed (1998), a winner of four international awards with its computer-animated symbols of spiritual unity.

From http://www.souloflife.com/musvideo.html :

JJ Hurtak - MERKABAH - Voyage of a Star Seed - Prepare yourself for the Merkabah journey that carries you into the higher worlds. Amid sacred sounds and colors you experience its transport powers as a super-luminal light, traveling beyond the limitations of physical form. Become a time and space traveler as you experience the many heavens! Encountering angelic beings and whole Light forms of ultraterrestrial Light from higher dimensional realms the dimensional gateways will open to you. In this masterpiece of video animation the Merkabah transports you from our immediate planetary system into other realms of awareness, connecting past, present, and future worlds of balance and beauty.

At OneLoveOneSpirit.com: We find the following statement:

"VIDEO MERKABAH: Voyage Of A Star Seed We regret to say that we are no longer allowed to retail this video. OneLoveOneSpirit.com apologizes for any inconvenience this may have caused you ."

We were unable to find any international awards for this video as claimed.

We were unable to find any verification for The Voice of Africa in any context.

From Hurtak's bio:

"Over the past 20 years, he has been involved with the dialog on issues concerning the environment, religion, and science. He was a presenter at the Parliament of the World's Religions (1999) in Cape Town".

From: http://www.cpwr.org/

"The mission of the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions is to cultivate harmony between the world's religious and spiritual communities and foster their engagement with the world and its other guiding institutions in order to achieve a peaceful, just, and sustainable world. "

The "Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions site seems to be Cesnur-like: studying the world religion's scenario and defend the principle of religious liberty.

http://www.cesnur.org/about.htm (scroll down for the english version)

Parliament's who's who:

http://www.cpwr.org/who/who.htm

Mission: The mission of the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions is to cultivate harmony among the world's religious and spiritual communities and foster their engagement with the world and its other guiding institutions in order to achieve a peaceful, just, and sustainable world.

http://www.cpwr.org/who/staff.htm

1999 Cape Town's meeting attendees

http://www.cpwr.net/120499.htm

This looks like a benevolent and legitimate organization that Hurtak has managed to gate crash with no real credentials.

It's sister organization, CESNUR, has an article on Hurtak here: http://www.cesnur.org/2004/waco_matthews.htm

Entitled: "The Master Race and the Family of Light: Conflict, Spiritual Purification and Bio-Political Agendas in JJ Hurtak's "Book of Knowledge"

Which says, in part:

Earlier in 1973, maverick linguist, alleged CIA consultant, occultist and nouveau Egyptologist, J.J. Hurtak, according to his account, had been lifted up in a body of light into a region of stars called Merak and Muscida by the Master Ophanim Enoch. Enoch, answering a prayerful plea from Hurtak, had come to deliver a revelatory message outlining the purpose of life on the Earth plane, and to reveal the contours of a coming confrontation between the Children of Light and the Fallen Masters of Darkness.2 Over a period of two days (Jan 2-3) Enoch downloaded into Hurtak a total of 64 keys or revelations and these became The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch. The Book of Knowledge details a premillennial, post-Christian account that calls on the Children of Light to be genetically recoded for the energy transformations to come that they may be the vanguard of an ascended Christ Race, which will complete the evolution of the original Pre-Adamic races. Key 109, a central revelation in this regard, reads as follows: The Anti-Universe is composed of Star Field Energies revealed on the Black Cube of Mecca which shows the function and destruction of three dimensional universes.
Hurtak's commentary on this Key reveals that the events of October 1973 galvanized him. Hurtak saw the October war as evidence that most Muslims, particularly those in power, are in league with, or in thrall to, dark extraterrestrial forces that originate in the constellations of Ursa Minor and Draco (with the principle star alpha Draconis as a focus).
Hurtak constructs an elaborate narrative linking ancient astronomy and geometry, genetic/molecular and computer theory with geo-political events, and in revisiting the old competitions between Muslim, Christian and Jew, recasts the historic dimensions of this occasional conflict in extraterrestrial, genetic terms.
In elaborating on Hurtak's prophetic project I will first briefly describe Hurtak's process of prophetic regenesis, in which revelation and prophetic commentary are said to €o-reveal the contours of a cosmic conflict between two ancient extraterrestrial genetic bloodlines that is said to manifest itself in geo-political events on earth. Then, I will discuss how Hurtak's process of revelation subsumes and elides the actual sequence of events as recorded by news agencies. Lastly, I will briefly describe how this narrative of Muslim/Christian conflict, recast in extraterrestrial and genetic terms, has impacted the writings and ideations of New Age and Ascensionist thinkers and practitioners. [â€¦]
For example, an examination of the commentary explicating Key 109 demonstrates how, according the Hurtak, the Kaaba at Mecca acts as a concentration of anti-Universe, anti-Christ energy, a kind of spiritual black hole as it were. [â€¦]
For Hurtak, this clinging to the cube that the Kaaba represents is, in fact, evidence of a dangerous tendency toward retrogression, rigidity, entropy and a need to tyrannically control. As Muslims circumambulate around their most sacred shrine in Mecca, they are exhibiting the black hole function of refusing to evolve up to the next level of organic organization.
The implication is that Muslims do not allow the light of program of God to penetrate them, therefore, they re-enact and reinscribe, in their revering of the cube at Mecca, a focus on physical destruction of the 3-D world, in the way that the black hole is postulated to trap light itself.
The Book of Knowledge constitutes Hurtak's attempt to construct what occultist Rene Schwaller de Lubicz referred to as la Symbolique, a purported system of knowledge transmission de Lubicz considered to be primarily visual and pre-linguistic, and is secretly encoded in the shapes of various written languages, mystical buildings, such as the Great Pyramid and for Hurtak, in human DNA.
The Children of Darkness cling to the cube in Mecca in order to keep the Children of Light from discovering the symbolique of redemption hidden in the Kaaba. They are not entirely at fault, since they are operating at the behest of extraterrestrials from alpha Draconis/Ursa Minor. They can be saved by bringing them to the Torah Or (Light of the Torah) which Hurtak prophetically retranslates as the Program of Israel with Gematria designation 8033-45.

Now lets look at the "Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions" Mission again and see how it fits in with the above........... Mission: The mission of the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions is to cultivate harmony among the world's religious and spiritual communities and foster their engagement with the world and its other guiding institutions in order to achieve a peaceful, just, and sustainable world.

It appears that the CPWR hasn't done it's homework!

Continuing with the Censur article

There is no way to determine for sure whether Hurtak's apparent conflation of events is purposeful, the result of a faulty news source, or a common American tendency to disregard the complexities of Middle Eastern politics. Whatever the case, Hurtak declares that Enoch transported him to the location of the Kaaba, in much the same way that Jabriel was said to have transported Muhammad to the Temple Mount during his Night Journey. From his exalted standpoint, Enoch revealed to Hurtak how the cubic structure of the Kaaba acts like a black hole, sucking in and trapping the Light of the Father and feeding the Children of Darkness. The stone inside the Kaaba, it is said holds and traps the accumulated and unredeemed sins of humanity inside the cube as Muslims, guided by extraterrestrial forces from alpha Draconis, are vampirically infected by the resulting energies of degeneration, vengeance and anti-evolution.
So, how has this premillennial scenario played to Hurtak's New Age and Ascensionist audience?

Perhaps one of the most interesting responses can be found in an early ascension channeling session conducted by trance channel Barbara Marciniak in 1990.

When asked specifically about Hurtak and The Book of Knowledge, Marciniak's guides replied that, although in the past they may have spoken highly of the Book, they also had always maintained that [we] do not agree with what is being said there. While the book is said to resonate with its own form of integrity, it is also limited by Hurtak's belief systems, and he will eventually be surprised when he finds out what and who the conflict really involves. Her guides go on to recommend The Gods of Eden by William Bramley as a more accurate account of humanity's extraterrestrial background.
Some ascensionists have reported to me that something about the book creeps them out, and still others were quite surprised when I pointed out passages in the text that seemed to vilify Muslims or contained a master race narrative.
Most ascensionists seem not to be very interested in pursuing Hurtak's premillennial charges of anti-Christ Muslim behavior, even while they generally accept his overall narrative regarding the existence of an extraterrestrial conspiracy on the Earth that is designed to keep humans from evolving and the importance of DNA as the locus of personal incarnation.
On the other hand, while perusing Internet archives of ascensionist/New Age chat rooms, I ran across several conversations, all post 9/11, in which Key 109 was brought up for discussion. In one instance, a respondent simply replied by posting a verse from Surah 9 of the Koran, which, when taken out of context, seems to provide justification for Muslims to kill their enemies at any opportunity. It was as if the respondent was saying: Yes, see, look at their scriptures, they are just like that.
Robert Fuller (no relation to Buckminster), in his book Naming the Anti-Christ: The History of an American Obsession, notes that a great deal of the apocalyptic imagery that is increasingly found in much New Age/Ascensionist literature derives from fundamentalist/right wing sources/pre-millennial, ranging from Hal Lindsey to Orson Scott Card.
For all of its sophisticated patter, and it's potential as a vision that seeks to intimately link the twin infinities of the cosmos and the human soul through the mediating mechanism of DNA, Hurtak's revelation seems to follow this trajectory with remarkable fidelity, only now the millennial conflict is cast in mathematical, extraterrestrial, genetic and even racial terms.
Later in The Book of Knowledge, Hurtak reveals that there are two other groups who operate with the Fallen Masters, obscuring the possibility of the Christ race evolving on Earth. These individuals are the orthodox believers in the Jewish and Christian communities, and the secular scholars and intellectuals who annoyingly insist on the importance of history, context, analysis and fact-finding.
For Hurtak, such critical analysis is idolatry constituting the Abomination of Desolation as described in the Book of Daniel.
Well, I guess the shoe fits. A close look at the Book of Knowledge reveals what one might call the circular edge of closure, when right and left wing interests are joined in the fervor of premillennial promises of perfected genetic evolution, the end of history and the conquering of ones stated enemies. It's the same story being told now in more dangerous times.

2006-03-23T11:40:00.000-05:00

It is just the way the world is that anytime anyone goes against the Powers that Be they are going to be Attacked, and Big-Time at that! The following is a great example of how these attacks are done and even who is doing them...

This was posted on Laura Knight Jadczyk's blog yesterday:

Abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!!

Some of you may have noticed that signs of the times was down for awhile today. This was due to the actions of the website abovetopsecret.com. As I have speculated, they were given the task to run cointelpro on Joe Quinn's article:

Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 - and Neither Did a Boeing 757

which was an analysis of the "catherder" article on abovetopsecret which essentially was support for the Bush Neocons conspiracy theory about the events of September 11.

As anyone who is familiar with copyright law knows, this is perfectly legal under standard copyright law.

However, abovetopsecret.com, like Bush and the Neocons, make up their own laws. As I have chronicled on this blog, their urgent demands that we remove this article because it was a violation of their "creative commons" copyright was absurd and simply evidence of their position as an active cointelpro/psy-ops propagator on the internet. It isn't copyrights they are concerned about, it is google bombing and running psy-ops. And now, they have proven it.

Here is the letter we received from our server people after being notified by about a hundred people via email that the signs of the times site was down:

From: "James" ****
To: Arkadiusz Jadczyk
Subject: FW: Notice of Copyright Infringement
Date sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:55:32 -0500
Date forwarded: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:38:12 -0600
Hi, we received the following complaint from your site. Please investigate this and let us know.
James

From: Jaeschke, Jr., Wayne [mailto:WJaeschke@****.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:35 PM
To: dmca@velcom.com
Cc: mark@abovetopsecret.com; skepticoverlord@abovetopsecret.com
Subject: Notice of Copyright Infringement

Sirs:
Our firm represents AboveTopSecret.com LLP ("ATS"). ATS is the owner of numerous copyrighted articles being displayed in an infringing manner on a website hosted by your company. That website is

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/ http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/

The infringing articles appear at:

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm;
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/Abo â€¦ rticle.htm ("the 757 article")
And
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs20050909.htm;
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs â€¦ 050909.htm ("the FEMA article")

The original articles appear on the Abovetopsecret.com website at:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg1;
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg1

And
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1;

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
The republication of each of these articles is governed by the Creative

Commons 2.5 Deed ("the CC Deed").

The 757 article may be republished in accordance with the terms and conditions specified here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?pid=79655&pid=816414;

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc. â€¦ pid=816414

The FEMA article may be republished in accordance with the terms and conditions specified here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?tid=167902&amp;pid=1685907>

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc. â€¦ id=1685907

Pursuant to the CC Deed, these articles, each of which is owned by ATS and is the subject of a registration in the United States Copyright Office 1) may not be published on sites/pages with commercial advertisements; 2) may not be used to make "derivative works"; and 3) must provide proper attribution to the author and a link to the original article.

In each instance of content owned by ATS appearing on the "signs-of-the-times.org" website, all three of these conditions of the terms of use is violated. The owners/operators of ATS have attempted to contact the operator of signs-of-the-times.org and have this situation corrected by either removing the articles or republishing them in a manner that complies with the CC Deed. The operators of the Signs-of-the-times.org websites, Laura Knight-Jadczyk and Arkadiusz Jadczyk, have failed to comply.

We must therefore request that Velcom.com, as hosts for the Signs-of-the-times.org website, remove these pages from publication.
Moreover, this letter constitutes notice to the operators of Velcom.com that ATS believes that have a right to enforce their copyright under Canadian and U.S. law and reserves the right to take further action in the U.S., Canada, or both without further notice.

As well, this letter is also to serve notice on Velcom.com that the owners of ATS have rescinded all rights to the operators of signs-of-the-times.org under the CC Deed, in view of their continued non-compliance with the terms and conditions of use of original, copyright content appears on the abovetopsecret.com website.

Please contact me at ******* if you have any questions with regard to this matter. Otherwise, we look forward to the prompt and amicable resolution of this matter.
Regards,
Wayne Jaeschke

Wayne C. Jaeschke, Jr.

Morrison & Foerster LLP

********************

McLean, VA 22102

phone: ****

fax: ****

wjaeschke@****.com

================================================

To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, Morrison & Foerster LLP informs you that, if any advice concerning one or more U.S. Federal tax issues is contained in this communication (including any attachments), such advice is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.
For information about this legend, go to

http://www.mofo.com/Circular230.html

This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail @mofo.com, and delete the message.

Now folks, come on, how many websites that were just started by an ordinary guy who took on a couple of "ordinary" partners, and is just a hobby and sharing on the internet, are able to afford a copyright attorney in McLean Virginia???

This action also is highly suggestive of the idea that the Pentagon Issue is a LOT more sensitive than anyone has thus far suspected! Do take note of THAT!

I hope that everyone who reads this will spread this information far and wide because these people are EVIL Bush supporters, Cyber Nazi Brown Shirts.

See the blog posts:

Is Is the Above Top Secret Forum COINTELPRO?

COINTELPRO Updates: Above Top Secret Forum -- this post is most pertinent to the current Simon Grey issue.

Abovetopsecret.com COINTELPRO Update

AboveTopSecret.com COINTELPRO Update 2

More Inside Scoops on Abovetopsecret.com!

The Spider and The Fly: SkepticOverlord and COINTELPRO

Abovetopsecret: Ethics and Google Bombs

See also forum threads on abovetopsecret.com and project SERPO:

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/for â€¦ 3015#p3015

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/for â€¦ php?id=523

Our research team is out there digging up info. This is back already:

Did a search on their lawyer, Wayne Jaeschke. Here is the official
bio from his law firm's site (www.mofo.com!):

Mr. Jaeschke is a patent attorney in Morrison & Foerster LLP's
Intellectual Property group. Wayne has been admitted to practice
before the USPTO since 1994 and has substantial experience preparing
and prosecuting patent applications in many fields, including:
computer software, surface and polymer, electromechanical and optical
devices, and pharmaceuticals. Wayne has also successfully handled
internet domain name litigation and dispute resolution; copyright
infringement litigation, inter partes reexamination, novelty,
infringement and validity opinions for all technical disciplines;
patent licensing, collaborative research agreements with major U.S.
universities, and related intellectual property matters.

Prior to joining Morrison & Foerster, Mr. Jaeschke worked for Allied-
Signal's water treatment polymer group where he assisted clients in
the areas of papermaking, mining, oil refining, and municipal water
treatment. After Allied Signal, Mr. Jaeschke worked for Betz'
Laboratories paper chemicals group where he was a process specialist
in the field of wet-end paper chemistry, recycled fiber usage and
overall papermaking performance enhancement through the use of
specialty chemical technology.

Mr. Jaeschke holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Chemical
Engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, received the
degree of Juris Doctor, cum laude, from the American University's
Washington College of Law and is registered to practice before the
United States Patent and Trademark Office.

His law firm, Morrison & Foerster (hence the mofo) has this about the
firm. Sounds like a high-powered and expensive one:

Morrison & Foerster maintains one of the largest intellectual
property practices in the world, with more than 300 lawyers providing
a full range of services, including counseling, prosecution,
litigation, dispute resolution and licensing transactions in patent,
trademark, and copyright matters.

The firm's practice has been consistently ranked by independent
observers as one of the top intellectual property practices in the
country. In 2003, the firm was short-listed for the USA Intellectual
Property Law Firm of the Year Award by Chambers & Partners in London.
In Managing IP's latest rankings of the top law firms in this field,
Morrison & Foerster was one of only a small number of full-service
firms (as opposed to IP boutiques) included in the Top 25 based on
volume of U.S. contentious and non-contentious matters.

Morrison & Foerster's IP practice serves clients in a wide range of
industries, including biotechnology, medical devices and healthcare;
electronics, software, telecommunications, Internet and
semiconductors; chemistry, chemical engineering and materials
science; and media and entertainment. The firm's attorneys, including
partners Tom Ciotti, Kate Murashige and Gladys Monroy, have played a
significant role in the creation and protection of many of the
landmark patent portfolios in the information technology and life
science industries.

And this, regarding the complaint:

"... derivative works"; and 3) must provide proper attribution to the author and a link to the original article."

Frozen fish is not technically a derivative work. A derivative use of the original would be if you made a movie using the article as a script, or if you translated the original article into another language. Although this is somewhat of a gray area:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/derivative/

"In short, a derivative work is a whole work based on one or more other whole works"

Criticism is protected under copyright law:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/fanfic/notice.cgi?NoticeID=7

"The most significant factor in this analysis is the fourth, effect on the market. If a copier's use supplants demand for the original work, then it will be very difficult for him or her to claim fair use. On the other hand, if the use does not compete with the original, for example because it is a parody, criticism, or news report, it is more likely to be permitted as "fair use.""

So, it appears that ATS is claiming that Frozen Fish will supplant demand for the original article.

To decide whether a use is "fair use" or not, courts consider:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use
is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit education purposes;

2. the nature of the copyrighted work;

3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to
the copyrighted work as a whole; and,

4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of
the copyrighted work. 17 U.S.C. 107(1-4)

Number one in the above list is why ATS has been harping on the links to book sales.

Joe Quinn, author of the critique of the abovetopsecret.com article has sent the following:

The "derivative work" claim is BS, pure and simple. I did not "alter,
transform, or build upon" the ATS piece, so it is not a derivative
work. Commercial use would be if they were some charge for people to
access the work - there is none. The use of the ATS piece was criticism,
therefore it was not competing with the original work.

Notice that in the lawyer's email, he does not make reference to any law,
Why? Because there is no legal infringement. Of course, all of this is
academic since the server folks are not in the business of defending
their clients, they will bow down to the mighty dollar, or the threat of
having to spend some, every time. So psychopathic manipulative tactics win
the day, as usual. I think a lawyer joke is in order.

The devil visited a lawyer's office and made him an offer. "I can
arrange some things for you, " the devil said. "I'll increase your
income five-fold. Your partners will love you; your clients will
respect you; you'll have four months of vacation each year and live
to be a hundred. All I require in return is that your wife's soul,
your children's souls, and their children's souls rot in hell for
eternity."

The lawyer thought for a moment. "What's the catch?" he asked.

The best we can do is use this episode to further expose the abovetopsecret.com crowd
for what they are: the Internet equivalent of the national Enquirer: disinfo, psy-ops and just plain trash.

US Troops Murder 11 people

2006-03-16T22:55:00.000-05:00

Here is what the US claimed happened in this incident according to Reuters:

"The U.S. military said in a statement its troops had attacked a house in Ishaqi early on Wednesday to capture a "foreign fighter facilitator for the al Qaeda in Iraq network".
"Troops were engaged by enemy fire as they approached the building," U.S. spokesman Major Tim Keefe said. "Coalition Forces returned fire utilising both air and ground assets.
"There was one enemy killed. Two women and one child were also killed in the firefight. The building ... (was) destroyed."
Keefe said the al Qaeda suspect had been captured and was being questioned.

What actually did happen is more likely to be this account from the same article:

"Major Ali Ahmed of the Ishaqi police said U.S. forces had landed on the roof of the house in the early hours and shot the 11 occupants, including the five children.
"After they left the house they blew it up," he said.
Another policeman, Major Farouq Hussein, said all the bodies had gunshot wounds to the head.
Pictures of the house targeted in the raid showed it had been reduced to rubble, while next to it lay the burnt-out wreckage of a truck.

It looks as if they have the attitude "Kill them all and let 'God' sort them out!".

What did any ot these people do to us?

NOTHING, as I can recall!

Of course, there are probably still a few Americans who think that the Iraqis were going to decimate the US with Nuclear, Chemical and Biological warfare agents. I would laugh at these sort of people but at the moment I feel way too much like crying...

The Neocons - What We Can Do

2006-02-10T12:52:00.000-05:00

Those who do not find the policies and actions of our present US Government to their liking have engaged in demonstrations, protests, letter-writing campaigns, email blitzes, etc. and have seen little or nothing as a result.

They have spent many millions of dollars and untold efforts in this endeavor and still have not made any dent in the steamroller which appears to be running still unhindered!

If all the 'tried and true' methods have not been successful, maybe it is time for a new approach. It may also be so because those in power have already anticipated all these usual methods which have traditionally been used to affect our policies and have taken steps to render them all ineffective and useless.

The following article by Laura Knight Jadczyk suggests some things that appear to have much more possibility of changing things than whatever has been tried before.

What Can You Do?
Signs of the Times and Cassiopaea

The other day SOTT received an email from a popular “Activist” website soliciting funds. The message said:

Dear member,
Yesterday 6,613 of us contributed $389,900 towards our $3.5 million field organizing plan for the election, smashing our goal of $250,000 for the week. Amazing. This generosity gives us a great deal of hope--and we've got to keep the momentum going. Can we make it to $600,000 by Friday?
A contribution of $100 from 2,100 more of us will get us there. Can you pitch in? You can contribute by credit card or check at the link below—it takes just a minute.

Wow! In one day they were able to raise $389,900.00 !!! And they are shooting for Three and a Half MILLION? What for?

Well, for their political ads and campaigns.

We wondered just what planet the people live on who gave this kind of money? Haven't they been paying attention? Don't they know that there is absolutely NO possibility that buying political ads or backing political candidates is going to make one bit of difference?

Think about it: Bush and the Neocons have been spying illegally for over a year now, and he has the gall to brag about it and shove it in our faces, and to declare that he's going to continue. In the midst of this uproar, he even gets his court pick accepted ensuring that no legal action will ever be taken against him. And while we are on the subject, just WHO have the Neocons been spying on that were such sensitive targets that they couldn't even be bothered with getting a rubber stamp approval?

The object of the illegal spying wasn't really to target innocent Americans as the Neocons would like us all to think.

Does anyone actually think that Bush and Gang would spend their time listening in on conversations between Junior and his granny in Pakistan? Does anyone seriously think that the arrogant Karl Rove is going to waste his time on “average Americans?” Do you think he - or ANY of them - really think that there are "terrorists" in America?

Of course not. They know that the whole "terrorist threat" is manufactured. They aren't going to waste their time looking for something that they created in their sick imaginations.

So, WHO are they REALLY spying on? And why did they out themselves as Bush did just before Christmas?

Sure, we read that it was done because the NY Times was going to publish a story that they had withheld for over a year. "President George W. Bush was so desperate to stop The New York Times' secret spy program story he summoned Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. and Executive Editor Bill Keller to the Oval Office to try to talk them out of running it, Newsweek reported on its Web site on Monday."

That smacks of smokescreen. Does anyone really believe that if the President wanted the NY Times to keep quiet that there would be a problem? After Judy Miller? Not a chance.

The whole thing stinks of a smokescreen. So, what are they trying to hide? What are they trying to distract attention away from? As Paul Craig Roberts has written:

We have reached a point where the Bush administration is determined to totally eclipse the people. Bewitched by neoconservatives and lustful for power, the Bush administration and the Republican Party are aligning themselves firmly against the American people. Their first victims, of course, were the true conservatives. Having eliminated internal opposition, the Bush administration is now using blackmail obtained through illegal spying on American citizens to silence the media and the opposition party.
Before flinching at my assertion of blackmail, ask yourself why President Bush refuses to obey the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The purpose of the FISA court is to ensure that administrations do not spy for partisan political reasons. The warrant requirement is to ensure that a panel of independent federal judges hears a legitimate reason for the spying, thus protecting a president from the temptation to abuse the powers of government. The only reason for the Bush administration to evade the court is that the Bush administration had no legitimate reasons for its spying. This should be obvious even to a naif.[...]
The years of illegal spying have given the Bush administration power over the media and the opposition. Journalists and Democratic politicians don't want to have their adulterous affairs broadcast over television or to see their favorite online porn sites revealed in headlines in the local press with their names attached. Only people willing to risk such disclosures can stand up for the country.

So, what other journalists, congressmen, judges, various other government officials are they REALLY spying on? After all, considering the nature of these creatures that have taken over the U.S., you have to know that they are only going to expend their energy on things that will bring them the biggest rewards of money and power. The hoopla about spying on innocent Americans to ferret out terrorists is just a smokescreen; it was, purely and simply, to spy on political opponents, journalists, and to obtain material for blackmail so as to completely control the political process.

And that means that all those hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars even, that are flowing into the coffers of various “Political Action” groups are all going to waste. It's all for nothing. Nothing will change. They will spend your money, make a big show, make a good living off of it, and nothing, NOTHING, will change.

Yes indeed, the desire for change in the country is intense – 60% think America is on the wrong track.

Yes, President Bush is very unpopular. Only 39% approve of him in one poll – his polls are as bad as Nixon's were around Watergate.

No, the news isn't any better for Congress; 63% of Americans want Congress to move in a new direction. Based on very good information it seems that many members of Congress did NOT approve of the confirmation of Samuel Alito. But he was confirmed anyway with some notable Democratic switchovers! (A little domestic spying bearing fruit?)

Yes, it is true that the Republican-controlled Congress' approval ratings are at 29%, but don't think for a minute that the wheels are coming off the right-wing machine. Sure, Karl Rove is under scrutiny, Tom DeLay is under indictment and the Abramoff scandal keeps everyone titillated while the Neocon juggernaut just keeps on stomping across America.

Yes, it is true that everywhere, on all the issues, the people are rejecting the Bush/Neocon agenda from Iraq to Social Security to budget cuts, to funding the war machine, to drilling in the Arctic. But none of it makes one bit of difference to an administration that owns the media, the Intelligence agencies, the military, the Congress and now, the Supreme Court. While the pundits tell us Bush is in trouble, he continues to get his victories on the ground.

Nothing that the political activists have done or said or advertised about has made one whit of difference. Nothing. The same game is being played with Iran that was played with Iraq, and if something doesn't change in a very fundamental way very, very soon, America IS going to be embroiled in a global war that may, indeed, be the end of America.

With so many of our readers writing to us asking “What to do?”, we thought that we would make an experiment. We fought like hell against the Alito confirmation for weeks. We activated our group members, wrote letters, sent emails, made phone calls, sent FAXes, day after day after day. We blogged, we posted to internet forums, we listened to the agreement of hundreds of thousands of people who stood with us against the confirmation of Alito.

We KNOW we were having an effect because, toward the end, there WERE notable congressional reps responding to this pressure and calling for the filibuster. We don't think for a minute that they were serious, we think that rather they were giving lip-service to the idea to calm down all the activists.

The facts “on the ground” are that Alito was confirmed. He was confirmed because the Neocons OWN everything, including the Democrats. It's that simple.

As it now stands, the Republican juggernaut is unbreakable. The corruption scandals, the admitted lying, the low approval ratings, none of that makes any difference. This fall, there is absolutely NO chance of ending the Republican stranglehold on Congress. Anybody who does not see this is deluding themselves and taking you for your money. It's that simple.

As long as the Neocons own the media, the intelligence agencies, the military, the courts, congress AND the voting machines, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

Would it make a difference if the Democrats returned to power?

MoveOn.org, the organisation who's email we cited above, is a front for the Democratic Party in the US. They serve to rally and deflect liberals who want to do something in the face of the Bush gang into doing exactly the kinds of activities that can change nothing. Their latest plan is to try and raise money to fight the Republicans in the next election. What? So that the spineless and equally corrupt Democrats, who have allowed Bush to capture the Supreme Court, illegally spy on Americans, get away with phoney commissions about 9/11, allowed the neo-cons and Israel to get away with 9/11, allowed Israel to continue its genocide of the Palestinians, who say that Bush needs to get serious about the war in Iraq and win it, who may not have received as much money from Abramoff as the Republicans, but who have their own lobbyists and slush funds, be put into power in order to improve things??? Is it really going to change anything? Is any dollar given to this cause going to be better spent than if it were thrown into a fire and burned?

You might as well imagine that Ariel Sharon going to rise from his sickbed and lead the Palestinians to a just and equitable one-state solution.

If there is no political opposition in the United States, if none of this anti-Bush busy work can have any beneficial affect, we come back to the question "What can I do?"

We receive many emails from people asking us this question. They can objectively see the situation in the United States, they understand that the Bush gang are imposing fascism, that the neo-cons and Israel were behind 9/11, that the administration lies, that the US Constitution has been torn into tiny pieces... they understand all that. So they ask us, "What can we do?"

As John Kaminski says with his usual eloquence in his article "Pain in the Brain":

Over and over I keep repeating: It doesn't matter who gets elected. All that stuff is a waste of time. America will continue to bomb and poison the world no matter who's in the White House.... The conversation on the radio show was about peace demonstrations. I commented that large peace events were nice for meeting people, but didn't accomplish anything, except reinforce the hollow illusion that we have free speech in the USA.
Indeed. Letters to the editor, peace marches, petitions, phone calls to your congressmen, these are only symbolic acts, moments when one can take a stand for the truth, doing so with no thought or anticipation to the outcome. They will change nothing... yet.
No amount of money that you give to any political organization is going to make any difference whatsoever.

That's the bad news. Activism based on the old model simply doesn't work against fascism.

Is there any good news? What does work? Can anything work? What can we DO?

We think there IS something that can be done, but it is going to require something that we talk about a lot on this website: Networking, colinearity and nonlinear dynamics. To just briefly explain, colinearity is when a lot of people are networked together, all going in the same direction. Nonlinear dynamics are the laws of physics that tell us that constantly applied pressure can keep building and building until it reaches a “popping” point when EVERYTHING shifts, and no one can know beforehand exactly when, where or how that critical mass will be reached.

We think that the solution to the problems facing America today can't yet be seen because there aren't enough people going in the same direction, all applying the pressure to the same goal/point.

That has got to change. And that can only change by a mass change of thinking. Americans needs to stop wasting energy on the wrong things and start spending it on the right things in the right way at the right time. We think that those who are sincerely working for change need to network together, to support each other not only in word and deed, but financially.

Yes, we have a plan. But like any plan, it requires funding. And unlike useless political plans, we can't reveal all the details because we want the plan to work. For those of you who have figured it out, yes, this is an information war, and we don't have the trillions of dollars that the Pentagon has to wage it. We have very limited funds, in fact.

In order to begin to implement our plan, we are going to need a lot of money. But we aren't asking you for that money, we aren't asking you for $3.25 million like certain political activist groups that don't accomplish anything. We are asking for something quite different. We are asking you to help us fund a real, significant Conscience Network. We already contribute financially to several 9-11 researchers and Activists who are struggling to stay afloat. We need to do more. Every day we see the sincere one, the ones that can't be bought off or co-opted, falling by the wayside, giving up in frustration and despair. Everyday we see the agents of COINTELPRO spreading their clever lies wrapped in truths over an ever widening sphere of influence, and those who can see, those who KNOW, are helpless. If they say a word, the small income they have will be cut off and they will have no further means of continuing to speak out.

That's how it works. First they try to buy off the sincere Truth seeker and speaker. If that doesn't work, then they try to destroy them financially. If that doesn't work, then they try to destroy your reputation. We've seen it and experienced it.

If you read these pages, it is likely to be because you get something from them. Readers of Signs of the Times and the Cassiopaea sites, as well as Laura's books, tell us how much our work means to them. You have come across this work, and it has touched you. It may even have changed you.

You know this to be true.

What if you could help us to support others of like mind, and then to help more and more people to have access to that work? And then, what if those others began to open their eyes and minds to what a true NETWORK is all about?

Up until now limited financial resources have meant that we have not been able to compete with the Pentagon COINTELPRO and Propaganda Budget. We've had to bootstrap every phase of our activity for the past eight years. You, the reader, can see the changes, the development of the site, the spreading influence and increasing readership. That has been due mostly to steady and consistent work, word of mouth advertising, and extremely positive feedback. But, it has now become clear that unless we can get make some serious moves, we will never reach those millions of people that are asking serious questions, thirsting for answers and receiving only lies and disinformation from their government and mainstream media. We won't reach them in time. And if we don't reach them in time, the rest of our plan cannot be put into effect. It all depends on a shift in mass consciousness.

Last year, we asked our readers to help to us raise the money to buy new computer and sound recording equipment in order to improve the services that we offer to our readers free. Thanks to your generosity, the Signs Team has been equipped with the necessary tools to increase our ability to give back, to reach more people, and it has caused a dramatic increase in our readership. More and more people are looking for exactly what Signs of the Times offers: a daily charting of the changing face of our world that keeps our readers abreast of essential information, the news behind the news, that may literally save their lives.

Now, more than ever, as galloping fascism stalks the world, there is a need for as many people as possible to be appraised of the reality of the world in which they live so that this knowledge can be utilised to protect themselves and those they love. It is clear that there is absolutely no chance that the mainstream media will ever provide this service to the people of the world.

It is also clear that there are plans afoot to shut down the Internet as a source of alternative news and points of view that point out the lies, that give people an accurate account of what is happening on our planet, and that demand that the will of the majority be respected. When that happens, sites like Signs of the Times will no longer be available, the information that you get today for free will not even be available if you were willing to pay. To prepare for this, we have been publishing as much of our material as possible as books. To date, we have books totalling over 4000 pages. We have plans for much more during the coming year.

But the books serve no purpose if they sit on shelves or boxed up in cartons. They need to move, they need to get out into bookstores, and from bookstores into homes. For that, we need to advertise. And that costs money. People thirsty for knowledge need the opportunity to learn about our work so that they, too, will understand the gravity of the situation we face and can see the possibility of a different way of living, of be ing.

We CAN make a difference; we just have to go about it in an altogether different way than has been tried up to this point. We need a bootstrap to the next level. That's what we are asking you for.

But we don't have much time. We need to work fast. The Darkness is falling and we need a lot of fuel to keep the lighthouse going. As Bob Dylan put, “It's not dark yet, but it's getting there”.

If every one of our daily readers could give $100.00 to help us counter the propaganda of the dark forces occupying America and open the eyes of others to the infinite possibilities of a colinear network pushing the envelope, we could create a network of Light and Truth that will shine from Sea to Shining Sea.

At this point, none of us have anything to lose anymore, except the last vestiges of our freedom. So, please, dig as deep as you can TODAY. If you can't possibly afford $100, then give what you can. It's time to Rock and Roll!

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Activists and Peace-Seekers need to Get Together

2006-01-30T18:56:00.000-05:00

Many of us wonder why with so many websites and bloggers out in cyberspace there has been so little actual result from this. One reason, and probably the biggest, is that the overwhelming majority of these sites are actually Cointelpro.

Not 'overtly', of course!

What can those who are attempting to promote 'truth' do about it?
Maybe there are some answers and something which can be done?

Here is a great article by Laura Knight Jadczyk in her blog which puts this all together in a way I have not seen before:

Smoking Mirrors: And Down Will Come Baby, Cradle and All.

Reading the above linked blog nearly made me cry. Why? Well, because I have heard the same frustration and despair expressed by other sincere activists for World Peace in the past couple of weeks. The despair of the front line is setting in. Yes, it looks like COINTELPRO is winning. The depression is spreading among those who have been keeping up the good fight for so long; we are succumbing to the disease. But is that really true?

Perhaps with understanding we can find a remedy, a Bridge Over Troubled Water.

When you're weary, feeling small,

when tears are in your eyes, I'll dry them all.

I'm on your side, oh, when times get rough

and friends just can't be found,

like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down.

Like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down.

When you're down and out, when you're on the street,

when evening falls so hard, I'll comfort you.

I'll take your part, oh, when darkness comes and pain is all around,

like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down.

Like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down.

Sail on silver girl, sail on by.

Your time has come to shine, All your dreams are on their way.

See how they shine, oh and when you need a friend,

I'm sailing right behind

Like a bridge over troubled water, I will ease your mind.

Like a bridge over troubled water, I will ease your mind. [© 1969 Paul Simon]

First of all, I think that Lobaczewski has produced about the most valuable document for our times (or any times) that I have ever encountered. Every activist needs to read this material and read it carefully. You can't go into battle without studying the opposition, knowing their strengths, weaknesses, strategies, and so on. Lobaczewski and those other activists and resistance fighters have already been through this. They studied it and mapped it. And the fact is, if you don't study what you are up against, you will make stupid mistakes, you will think you are winning when you are losing, and conversely, you will think you are losing when the opponent is just bluffing.

This information is crucial. A good activist can NOT ignore it. He or she does so only at his or her own peril. Yeah, sure, it seems like a huge burden to have to deal with accusations and counter-accusations in the COINTELPRO world, but if we don't, we are toast. As Lobaczewski tells us:

"If physicians behaved like ethicists, i.e. left in the shadow of their personal experience of relatively un-esthetic disease phenomena because they were primarily interested in studying questions of physical and mental hygiene, there would be no such thing as modern medicine. Even the roots of this health-maintenance science would be hidden in similar shadows. In spite of the fact that the theory of hygiene has been linked to medicine since its ancient beginnings, physicians were correct in their emphasis upon studying disease above all. They risked their own health and suffered sacrifices in order to discover the causes and biological properties of illnesses and, afterwards, to understand the patho-dynamics of the courses of these illnesses. A comprehension of the nature of a disease, and the course it runs, after all, enables the proper curative means to be elaborated. "[Political Ponerology]

Just now, activists are the physicians of society. We can't do a thing if we don't know the nature of the disease and that is what Lobaczewski lays out for us in all its horrible detail. We don't want to give up in despair thinking we have incurable cancer when it is just the measles or something that must run its course and can lead to full recovery if proper nursing is applied.

The questions about COINTELPRO backed groups and individuals MUST be asked, but it must be asked in the proper context. The question is: Are such groups and individuals just "victims" of the social disease, or are they a vectors? Are they innocently manipulated by the special psychological knowledge of those with serious psychological pathologies, or are they carriers?

Either way, COINTELPRO is deliberate and planned at some level, whether the individual or group is privy to that planning or merely it's dupe. The REAL "enemies" are those individuals pulling his strings. The bottom line is, if the individual cannot be cured, if their egos are so big they cannot admit that they have been or are being manipulated, then those who seek "health" need to contain them like Typhoid Mary.

Modern COINTELPRO has been developed to an all new level of complexity and sophistication even if they still use many of the old tried and true methods of defamation and slander. After all, they have had access to some excellent talent to figure out how the human mind works and to know how to get to people and even to "trigger" them at a distance. I'm not talking about mysterious "mind control" experiments here, but simple psychological knowledge, though I won't discount the direct experimentation. After all, if you have some control over what kind of psychological "diet" is being fed to a society, you can pretty well set them up to do what you want right there in front of God and everybody. Education, religion, television, video games, control of the media for "ideological vectoring," etc. It's a pretty formidable array.

But again, most of it is "terror tactics." We need to study it and find the curative means and employ them.

For example, John Kaminski and Kurt Nimmo have come under COINTELPRO fire quite a bit lately. They are accused of being on the CIA payroll, of being "ex-Navy intell" and so on. How do you tell the difference? If they say they are not, that's what everybody expects them to say if they ARE. It's also what they would say if they aren't. People tend to forget that. It's like Bush pointing the finger at Iraq saying "You have WMD and because you say you don't, you are obviously lying." Then, of course, the truth came out that Iraq was telling the truth. But for a considerable period of time, lots of people bought into the "plausible lie" argument. You might want to reread all the COINTELPRO posts here, especially the one about the above mentioned "Plausible lies," and try to remember that when two people are each saying something completely opposite, it is NOT usually a case of the truth being somewhere in the middle: one of them may very well be lying and the other telling the truth and nothing but the truth. I wrote there:

The truth - when twisted by good liars, can always make an innocent person look bad - especially if he is honest and admits that he has faults. If someone is telling the simple truth, and the other side is lying through their teeth, the basic assumption that the truth lies between the testimony of the two sides always shifts the advantage to the lying side and away from the side telling the truth. Under most circumstances, this shift put together with the fact that the truth is going to also be twisted in such a way as to bring detriment to the innocent person, results in the advantage always resting in the hands of liars.

Also, when you read the post about Plausible lies, you will read something else: how to evaluate the two sides:

Proof is a familiar concept to those used to conventional logical thinking. However what passes for proof in cultural, social, and even legal terms often bears only a superficial resemblance to what would be considered proof by those who really use their minds to think.
For example: in formal mathematics, proof rules are established - postulates are set out and a structure is built based on the postulates and the theorem. Mathematical proof is pretty much inarguable: once a proof is accepted as true it is added to the pool of known truths.
In legal proof there is a set of rules and a theory which the prosecution presents, and attempts to prove the theory by clever argumentation rather than facts. Truth is not the objective. Getting other people to believe the theory IS the objective. However, the prosecution's theory is whatever the prosecutor believes that he can get away with based on what is known about the case, or what he can PREVENT from being known. What legal 'proof' does is serve as a structure for convincing a group of people of the guilt of a person, about whom they know nothing.
There is another significant difference: Mathematical proofs are judged by experts in the particular case who are free to study any and all information about the case. Legal 'proof' is judged by people who are guaranteed to be ignorant of the case, who are only allowed to study the information presented during the formal trial, and who are not even allowed to consult the texts for what the rules say.
Our culture is so permeated with this â€œlegal argumentâ€ system that it extends into our daily experience: the one who is the slickest at using the structure for convincing a group of people of something, is the one who is believed. Very few people take the time to obtain hard facts by carefully studying any and all information about a situation.

How do I know John Kaminski and Kurt Nimmo are NOT disinformation artists or in the pay of the CIA or Navy intelligence? I have done due diligence. Not only do they use their real names, they also have a real history of their public life and deeds that is written in an open book for anyone who cares to read it. I also know from personal information that if the CIA has them on their payroll, they haven't ever sent any checks and both of them struggle to survive every day just like the rest of us. They need help and they aren't getting it.

Speaking of which: We (Ark and I and our research group) are portrayed as either beneficiaries of funds from George Soros, French Intell, CIA, or we are thieves who take people in, fleece them by scaring them to death, and then cast them aside like used kleenex. Here is one of the latest posted to a public BB:

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 67366
1/28/2006 6:01 AMRe: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?
Is LKJ the same as Il_Bagattel on STA?
'ill bagman' is not laura
he is a retired used car salesman and health food drink peddler from
newport beach CA, in his early sixties he means well but is a total C
dupe, fanatical, obsessed
he sold his property in CA for over half a mil and followed the cult to
france he read some C crapola about CA falling into the ocean, and he was
genuinely afraid! laura reinforced the conviction and invited him intor her
spider's web
he moved in to the castleopia dungeons but was within days, due to his
rather cloying used car salesman personality, made unwelcome by the cult -
some of the cultists said he was making unwelcome sexual advances and
remarks to younger female C dupes he was banished to a local village
nearby, where he still remains the village idiot
what happened to his money?
LOL, take a guess
but even though he was ostracised he still is so mind controlled that he
suffers from stockholm syndrome and thus constantly writes (at STA mainly)
about apoclayptic and other paranoid crapola but always referencing the
larks and Cs and always in a good 'light'
he is a very sad man and he has no idea how his life has been ruined by
these archons - no idea
that story can be repeated in many other cases, and i hesitate to guess
quite how many, and quite how much money and property has been stolen by
these 2 hucksterfrauds, not to mention minds and lives and shattered
relationships and marriages
i wonder if the larks understand the concept of karma?
roll on interpol
please DO YOUR JOB
webmaster@maar.us

How to deal with nonsense like that? And believe me, this is a mild example. You ain't been COINTELPROd professionally until there are websites set up for the express purpose of destroying your reputation and thusly your ability to do anything positive for others in this battle against Fascism we face today! I reckon we are about the most attacked people on the net, and we were being attacked when it wasn't fashionable. Maybe we're onto something?

Now, you want the truth? Can't you handle the earth-shaking revelation?

First of all, the individual referred to above is not a "used car salesman" or "health food drink peddler" except in the mind of the writer who denigrates him, and seeks to dirty everything he touches, especially us. The man's father was a Car dealer in the American Midwest. The individual in question owned several nightclubs in large cities there; he also was a musician and played drums in a couple of well-known 60s and 70s rock bands. Later, he joined a large vitamin manufacturer as marketing director. Normal life story. But somehow his life was cheapened and vulgarized in a few, short, sentences constructed by a psychopath.

This individual has been a long time reader of our website, a discussion group member, an activist, (he led a movement to stop the building of an airport in CA that would have destroyed an ecologically sensitive environment), and supporter. When he reached retirement age, he saw what was coming in the US - POLITICALLY and economically - and decided he wanted to retire to Europe. Yes, he was scared - nobody in their right mind wouldn't be - , and yes, he thought earthquakes in California were likely at some point in the future (as do many experts), but that isn't what was driving him: his main fear was Bush and the Neocons. Rightly so.

So, he wanted to get out. Since we were the only people he knew in Europe, and since we could sponsor him to come here, it was only natural that we do so. Yes, he sold his house before moving; that's natural. Yes, he stayed with us for 6 months while looking for his "ideal house," and then moved in there. I have no idea how much money he has or how much he made on the sale of his house. He helped out with groceries while he was here, made a loan to us when we needed additional funds to try to get a mortgage to buy a house (that fell through - loans get repaid) but that was it. We helped him, he helped us and that is pretty simple and ordinary stuff in anyone's life. But see what has been made of it? See the filthy allusions and insinuations? See how it has been twisted to contribute "proof" to the claim that we are just con-artists and run a doomsday cult?

Well, obviously, anyone who reads the work on our website knows better. That is why we take note of the sites that do and do not link to us. That is why it was so interesting to observe the reactions to the Pentagon Strike video which I have written about earlier. After the Washington Post made the mistake of publishing a link to our website, all of the damage control machine went to work and the ONE thing they wanted to avoid at ALL costs was publishing a link to our website.

We must scare them to death.

And I should note that the writer of the above nastiness is very likely Vincent Bridges, best buddy and co-author with Jay Weidner, who is best buddy of Jeff Rense. You know, you can follow these links around and with a little digging, figure out who is who... (hint)

Meanwhile, of course, Jeff Rense got listed on a government website as a major source of disinformation. As Robin Ramsay, Editor of Lobster, writes in February's issue of Fortean Times:

Recently, the US State Department has begun trying to rebut some of the current conspiracy theories about America. Their first targets were a couple of websites - www.rense.com and Conspiracy Planet - and the late Joe Vialls, an Australian. What a boost for the named sites! Attacked by the State Department![...]
[Y]ou don't have to be a PR genius to see that what you simply mustn't do is launch official attacks: all they do is amplify and legitimise the theories by announcing that they are deemed to be worth attacking. [Fortean Times 206, February 2006, p. 19]

Even though, as I noted in an earlier post here, Carol Morello of the Washington Post asserted that our Pentagon Strike video was single-handedly responsible for re-awakening the public interest in the "No-Boeing at the Pentagon" theory first put forward by Thierry Meyssan, never, EVER, have we been frontally attacked by any government agency. Nor will we be. As Ramsay notes above: "[Y]ou don't have to be a PR genius to see that what you simply mustn't do is launch official attacks: all they do is amplify and legitimise the theories by announcing that they are deemed to be worth attacking."

So certainly, we would expect real COINTELPRO operations to be attacked "officially" in order to legitimize them, (and that's what they did for Jeff Rense), but those who have figured out the real answers will not be martyred - at least not by the official government. It's way too dangerous. Rather, they will be crucified by "Third Party Agents" of COINTELPRO such as Vincent Bridges and his gang of cyber-psychos. And certainly, it is effective.

The problem is, because so few people really think, and most people are really programmed by the "Cult of the Plausible Lie," when folks like Vinnie and his buddy Storm Bear repeat this nonsense over and over again (and it started back in 2001), the average person tends to think "where there's smoke, there's fire." They don't know that it's ALL smoke and somebody else is blowing it!

The word "cult" has been deliberately made so pejorative that people actually cringe when they hear it. It was used with effective results in relation to the Jonestown people, the Branch Davidians at Waco, the Solar Temple, Heaven's Gate, etc. I certainly thought that those situations were as they were presented by the media myself at the time they happened. It was only later when WE were painted with the same brush that I started to wonder if there wasn't some psy-ops going on there: a deliberate manipulation of people's minds. I started looking into it and it sure looks that way. Do your own research, don't take my word for it.

What matters now is that 90 % or more of the US population still believe the lies about those people. (And I'm not defending their beliefs, whatever they might have been, just their right to have them and live peacefully which they were NOT permitted to do. They were hounded and flamed and infiltrated and lied about until they became so paranoid that they began to act erratically which then led to their destruction. Pure psychological manipulation.) I should mention here that the chief ranter of "cult, cult, cult!" in the case of the Waco tragedy, was Rick Ross, good buddy of Vinnie Bridges and Jay Weidner and probably, by extension, though it is hidden, Jeff Rense. (It is known that Rense has some decided Zionist connections so it strikes me that he could be a tar baby to collect all the anti-Zionist folks together, get info on them, and then subject them to later attacks by seemingly disconnected sources. There are also Zionist connections to Weidner and Bridges, by the way, and most definitely to Rick Ross.) By the way, has anybody but me noticed Jeff's ostensible "Christian Cult" bias?

Are we a cult? Hell no. If anything, we are anti-religion and anti-belief in anything. We prefer to collect data and assign probabilities based on scientific analysis. The REAL cults are protected by the so-called "anti-cult" people. They pretend to be "anti-cult" all the while they are subtly promoting a quite different agenda. Take a look at the maar.us website, the ostensible source of the libelous post I quoted above. This is supposed to stand for "Malevolent Alien Abduction Research." Now, get this: Colleen Johnston is saying that aliens are malevolent. WE are saying that, if aliens really exist as a great deal of evidence suggests they do, then they are malevolent because that is what the evidence points to. So what's Colleen's problem? Why does she have a beef with me?

Easy. And I'll tell you how I know. There are two people on her private discussion group who got curious about me because she wrote so vicious an article about me. (I don't think she wrote it, I think that Vinnie Bridges wrote it in her name - part of the COINTELPRO Greek Chorus strategy). So, these people came to our site to examine the evidence by reading the material we publish. Apparently, they were so disgusted with Colleen's obvious agenda, that they decided to forward to me all the exchanges she has with her group, her "teachings," so to say. It's quite a collection.

Reading this material was truly saddening:the blind leading the blind, but more than that, it was worrisome. You see, Colleen Johnston tells her followers that faith in Jesus is what is going to save them from Malevolent aliens.

Yup. Not a joke. And if they keep getting raped and abused (and how they glory in their descriptions of the "disgusting" sexual encounters with their reptoid tormenters!), then it is obviously because they haven't gotten the exact shade of feeling of faith to ward them off. Either that or it's "god's will" that they suffer.

Now, how can you be angry at something that ignorant and pathetic? (And by the way, if you want to listen in on a real exorcism where I never ONCE mention the name "Jesus," and do the job quite effectively anyway, go to our podcasts and listen to the one on "Channeling and Exorcism")

In any event, the "anti-cult" ranters have done a pretty effective job of making people afraid of the word to the point that it's like the Kitty Genovese case... a person can be being murdered - psychically, psychologically, and even literally - by these thugs and nobody will help because they are afraid of getting tarred with the same brush.

And THAT is the point. That's what COINTELPRO is set up to do. To divide and conquer the TRUE patriots and activists by slime propagated by the Third Party Attack Protocol.

Those who are really working for truth and peace will be attacked and marginalized. And then, if somebody starts to notice anything strange about this, they will set up "fake" attacks on each other to allay suspicion. No sooner had I made a public comment about the fact that Jeff Rense seemed to be curiously untouched by all of this than, lo and behold, within a few days he started publishing articles about how nasty letters were written to him from Zionists and his guests were being "threatened." However, he has never published an article about how *I*, as his guest, was certainly flamed and threatened by his pals Jay Weidner and Vincent Bridges and HE published it himself.

And then along comes Daryl Bradford Smith with his "diet coke COINTELRPO" attack on Rense - you know, the flame with just one calorie?

The other day I saw another piece on Rense.com about how the nasty Zionists were making anonymous phone calls to one of his guests and how upset that guest was. Well, gee whiz, I wish I ONLY got nasty anonymous phone calls! After many, MANY death threats, our names and address were published on the internet with invitations for some right thinking Neocon Zionists in our area to "take care" of us. Not long after, two of my children were nearly killed, (the car was totaled when an anonymous vehicle attacker deliberately ran my daughter off the road and if it hadn't been a Volvo, she would have been killed), our dog was poisoned, and we had enough. And then, of course, the "Greek Chorus" starts chanting: "oh, they are pretending to be activists but they really ran away because they are a cult and fleece people."

Yeah, right.

The problem is, the other side has no limits on what they can and WILL do. Every unethical option is open to them. It is NOT open to those who seek truth. For them, the end justifies the means. For us, the end IS the means: truth, as much as we can figure out, shouted as loudly as we can shout it. (Within safe limits, of course.)

But that doesn't mean that we can't take pages from their playbook.

We notice that their main weapon is something like a combination of a Greek Chorus and "clappers" planted in the audience, while the spellbinding actor weaves his illusion "onstage." It is a kind of psychological "herding" and "corraling."

I don't see anything wrong at all with utilizing a similar tactic.

But to do something like that, you have to have a network and that has to be created very carefully in order to weed out the "agents." That's where studying the phenomenon and doing due diligence comes in.

IF such a thing could be done, if such a group would come out in force whenever they see the stalker attacking a "Kitty Genovese", (i.e. any one of the members of said network), the network would come out in force and make it clear that they are NOT going to tolerate attacks on people who have proved themselves by their bona fides, and by their work.

The problem with forming such a unified network is Ego. So many people are invested in their beliefs and they have to hang on to them and if somebody over there doesn't believe the same way they do, they don't feel that they ought to support them. What we have to understand from the start is that most of these beliefs are PART OF THE PROGRAM. One has to be completely ruthless in examining the self and what one believes in order to get free of this stuff. Effectively that means that anyone who is attached to a "savior" scenarios is probably part of the program whether he or she is conscious of it or not. There aren't any saviors! No Jesus, no Avatar, no Aliens are gonna help haul our buns out of the fire. It's all up to us! That's it. And we can only do it with knowledge and awareness! But the kind of knowledge and awareness we need cannot be gotten alone!

Our Quantum Future Group has made a huge difference. Yeah, Vinnie and gang like to rant "cult" about the fact that we have a private, members-only group, and it's hard as hell to get in, but I can guaran-damn-tee that this is only because the PTB are afraid of people actually learning how to work together without egos. It's all about relationships and networking to do real research with all biases removed.

QFG is a blessing to me for a lot of reasons and one of these is that it is the members of this group that keep me fighting. Because many of them are there, in the U.S., even though I am here in France and COULD just relax and retire and let the world go to hell or let somebody else do the work,. Heck, I'm 54 this year, I don't have a lot of years left so why am I wearing myself out? I could shuck the whole nonsense, free myself of the grief that I suffer when I am unjustly attacked, the suffering my family has gone through because of those psychopaths, quit working 16 hour days, and just read and watch movies and prune roses. But I can't do that. There are too many people that I love. I will fight for them until I am cut down and I believe that they will do the same for me. I could be wrong, but I don't think so - they are very special people, every one of them!

Yes, there has been a period of "weeding out" COINTELPRO - that's a necessary stage for any group that hopes to remain cohesive and work toward a common goal. Those who have the seeds of selfishness have fallen away under various trials. In this sense, people like Vinnie and Jay are useful. Those who have the instinct for truth can see through them and their lies, and those who prefer lies because it makes things simple and keeps people from being mad at them for bucking the PTB, get taken in. Lobaczewski calls it "transpersonification." It's really that simple. We interact with people daily, monthly, year after year, and because of this they know us on a consistent, personal basis. Most of our group members have been to visit us and have visited each other. This group works together, researches together, and that means that each of them give of themselves daily just like in a family.

When you get to know people personally in such an exchange, you begin to care about them in a deep way. Our group is our real family and families help each other. The neighbors would not have ignored Kitty Genovese's cries for help if they had known her and interacted with her daily, or if they had been family, even "extended" family.

That's what is missing in the Anti-war and 9-11 truth movement. People working together, knowing each other well and personally, leaving their egos and prejudices at the door, doing good research with protocols, sharing and supporting each other for the sake of the goal and not personal fame and glory. The network needs to grow.

The members of the Quantum Future Group are our "Bridge Over Troubled Water." They work tirelessly alongside us on the "frontline," even if we do try to shield them from the flak and take the direct hits from the COINTELPRO gangs ourselves. We are able to stand up and do that because they are behind us, passing the ammunition, food and water, necessary intell, providing distractions and cover fire, and all kinds of things that can be expressed in battle metaphors. The cavalry may make the charge and attract the fire, but it cannot be successful without a kitchen, without an infirmary, without covering artillery fire, and without reconnaissance and foot soldiers.

So, the bottom line is, as long as the Quantum Future Group exists, as long as children who need a future exist, I'm not ready to give up yet. There is way too much at stake. Maybe I am clinging to hope because I am a mother and I want a future for my children and my extended family and their children. Maybe that hope is self-deception, just as a mother might cling to hope that her child will survive some terminal illness. I'll admit that up front. But even so, if my "child" dies, it won't be because I didn't do everything I could, right up to the last instant. And believe me, a desperate mother can be pretty creative when her child's life is at stake. There are all kinds of stories about mothers who did NOT take the diagnosis as the last word, who did their own research, who found new remedies, and who, in the end, healed their children by virtue of stubbornness, refusal to give up, and just plain cussedness. They can call me crazy, they can laugh at me, accuse me of whatever slime their filthy brains can come up with, gossip about me, flame and abuse me; it has nothing to do with me, and I ain't quittin'. I'll be your Bridge Over Troubled Water.

Above Top Secret Cointelpro Revealed

2006-01-14T22:31:00.000-05:00

As many people who read on the internet (and quite a few who do not) know, there are many sites which proclaim to be for the 'truth' of the events of 911.
If the truth really is that 911 was an 'inside job', whether merely 'allowed' by the government or actually planned and executed by some elements within and above the elected government we 'see,then it seems that those who 'deny' evidence or attempt to skew it towards the 'official version' of events are either really misguided or surreptitious agents of the establishment. this would be what is usually referred to as "Cointelpro" or counter-intelligence. It certainly does seem that much of this stuff is counter 'intelligence' if by intelligence is meant discerning the truth behind the evidence!

Here is an article recently posted at Signs of the Times which debunks the idea of a commercial jetliner causing the damage to the Pentagon:

Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on
9/11

and Neither Did a Boeing 757

by Joe Quinn

After
the release of the QFG Pentagon Strike Flash Animation on August
23rd, 2004, a veritable onslaught of new articles were published that
sought to dismiss the "no plane at the Pentagon" theory. One such article, that is frequently referenced by certain
'9/11 researchers' was authored by a member of the forum at the "Above
Top Secret" (ATS) website. Interestingly, the article was written just
a few weeks after the release of the Pentagon Strike Flash
animation, which by then, was winging its way around the world and into
the inboxes of millions of ordinary citizens. Perhaps you were one of
them...

The
claim that promoters of the "no plane at the Pentagon" theory were
doing immense damage to the truth/accountability movement was raised in
Mike Ruppert's book Crossing the Rubicon. In a stunning piece
of warped logic, Ruppert claimed that, while he is quite convinced that
it was not Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, he chose not to talk about
or deal with the subject as part of his overall case for conspiracy
because of the "implications". According to Ruppert, the "implications"
are that anyone that suggests that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon,
is then forced to answer the question as to what actually happened to
Flight 77. If that's the case, then we better just wrap up the whole
9/11 Truth Movement and go home and have a beer.

Ruppert
balks at the idea of offering an answer to this question to his readers
because, he claims, most people would be unable to accept it, and, he
suggests, 9/11 researchers serve only to alienate the public support
that they wish to attract by stretching the boundaries of the
collective belief system. What Ruppert doesn't explain is why any
member of the public would happily accept that U.S. government
officials participated in the slaughter of the passengers on Flights 11
and 175 and the occupants of the WTC towers (as he details in his book)
yet would be unable to accept the idea that the same
government officials played a part in disposing of the passengers of
Flight 77 in a much less imaginative way. Let's be honest here, in the
context of 9/11 being the work of a faction of the US government and
military, the answer to the question as to what happened to Flight 77
if it didn't hit the Pentagon is quite obvious - Flight 77 and its
occupants were flown to a specific destination and â€œdisposed ofâ€ by the
conspirators. That's pretty simple; cut and dried; no need for much
stretching there! But, for some reason, Ruppert (and others affected by
this paramoralism) seems to think that killing thousands of citizens by
crashing airplanes is easier to accept than cold bloodedly murdering
them "in person," as it were.

Since
Ruppert's declaration about the "no plane at the Pentagon" theory, many
other "9/11 researchers", such as Mark Rabinowitz and Jim Hoffman, have seized upon Ruppert's idea and
even expanded upon it by suggesting that the "no planers" are actually
government agents trying to discredit the REAL 9/11 researchers with
the 'kooky' "no plane" theory.

In order
to really understand the insidiousness of this patronising claim that
the public could not accept the implications of the idea that a Boeing
757 did not hit the Pentagon, let's look at the "evidence" as presented
by the ATS member that it really was Flight 77 that impacted the
Pentagon that bright September morn.

First,
however, I would like to make a few observations about 9/11 research in
general.

Anyone
who takes on the formidable task of digging into the events of 9/11 is
immediately at a disadvantage because the US government has already
declared the case closed. The government knows how it happened and who
did it and have informed the entire world. As a result, there is no
possibility of access to the raw data, to the crime scene or analyses
of same. Here is where we meet the major obstacle: since the US
government is the prime suspect, we cannot simply take as truth
everything - or anything - that they say in relation to the case.

Investigation
of the 9/11 attacks should be approached like any murder investigation.
When confronted with a murder case (like 9/11) and a suspect that has a
history of deceit and murder (like the US government and its agencies)
and who had an opportunity and a motive to commit the murder, do you
take as fact any claims by the suspect that he did not commit the
murder? Do you seek to fit the facts around his claim that he did not
commit the murder? When you confront evidence that suggests that the
suspect is lying about his account of where he was and what he was
doing, or you find inconsistencies and logistically impossible
scenarios in his account, do you ignore these and focus only on the
fact that he said he did not commit the murder and try to find and
present evidence that backs up his claim to innocence?

The fact
is that researchers coming to the 9/11 investigation after the fact,
and after the case has been officially closed, are not only confronted
with the task of trying to find out what actually happened - they also
face the already well established public belief, by which they
themselves are also influenced, that the official story is the truth.
The best approach for any 9/11 researcher with honest intentions is to,
if possible, wipe from their minds the official version of events and
take the attitude of someone who has just returned from a 5 year trip
to the outer reaches of the solar system, during which time they had no
communication with planet earth. Start with a beginner's mind, turn off
the sound of all the conflicting voices and their claims, and just LOOK
at the evidence without prejudice.

Now, if
the person with a truly open mind is given all of the publicly
available evidence and has been additionally furnished with knowledge
of the effects of airplane crashes and that of missile impacts, what
would such a person conclude about the most likely cause of the
Pentagon damage? Of course, not all of the evidence was made available
to the public, but there is still sufficient visual evidence from
"ground zero" (both in terms of place and TIME), to form a pretty good
"best guess". For a definitive conclusion to be reached, the "private"
evidence, like the video tapes of the event that the FBI confiscated,
would have to be released, and we don't expect that to happen any time
soon. Of course, the fact that the definitive evidence of the videos
has not been released is in itself a key piece of evidence
that suggests that the official story of what hit the Pentagon is not
the real story.

The
purpose of this small introduction is to prepare the reader for the
fact that, in his attempted rebuttal of the no 757 at the Pentagon
theory, the ATS article author, CatHerder, appears to have succumbed to
the influence of the mainstream media shills that have incessantly
parroted the official government story about what happened on 9/11 for
the three years prior to the writing of the article. As such, he has
failed to don the mantle of objective observer of the available
evidence that is so crucial to finding the truth, and instead exerts a
lot of effort to make the available evidence fit the government claim
that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th 2001.
Either that, or he/she is part of the "official government cover-up."
After you read everything below, you can make a call on that one
yourself.

Here is
the ATS article as it appears on the ATS site with my comments
interspersed in blue text.

Evidence
That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the
Pentagon on 9/11

by
"CatHerder", Member,
AboveTopSecret.com/forum

September
11th, 2004

Did a 757 hit the Pentagon on
9-11

First let's start with the factual
information available on hand.

The 757-200

As we can see from the freely available
information for the Boeing 757 (from the Boeing website). The 757 is a
midsized commercial airliner designed for short haul and medium haul
routes (Medium Range Transport (MR-TR)), although since its release,
and the subsequent discovery of the Wake Vortex it leaves behind the
FAA has classified the 757 as a "Heavy" aircraft; the FAA places the
757 in the Geometric Design Classification IV, and an ATC Operation
Class C. (source)

The 757-200 dimensions:

Tail Height: 44 ft 6 in (13.6m)

Length: 155 ft 3 in (47.32m)

Wingspan: 124 ft 10 in (38.05m)

Body Exterior Width: 12 ft 4 in (3.7m)

Fuel Capacity: 11,489 us gal (43,490l / 43,490kg)

Maximum Takeoff weight: 255,000lb (115,680kg)

Typical Cruise Speed: 0.80 Mach (573.6mph / 956kmh)

Engines used on a 757: Two 166.4kN (37,400lb) Rolls-Royce
RB211-535C turbofans, or 178.8kN (40,200lb) RB211-535E4s, or 193.5kN
(43,500lb) RB211-535E4-Bs, or 162.8kN (36,600lb) Pratt & Whitney
PW2037s, or two 178.4kN (40,100lb) PW2040s, or 189.5kN (42,600lb)
PW2043s. (source1) (source2)

Auxiliary Power Unit: Honeywell GTCP331-200

left portion: source1
right portion: source2 (height and width notation to graphic
added by me)

Next, let's look at the Pentagon.

The Pentagon

The Pentagon was designed in the early 40's and was completed in only
16 months on Jan 14, 1943. The shortages of materials required for war
production raised many design and construction problems. The use of
reinforced concrete in lieu of formed steel for the building made
possible a saving of 43,000 tons of steel, more than enough to build a
battleship. The use of concrete ramps rather than elevators further
reduced steel requirements. Drainage pipes were concrete; ducts were
fiber, interior doors were wood. An unusual wall design - concrete
spandrels carried to window sill level - eliminated many miles of
through-wall copper flashing.(Source1) (Source2)

Recent renovations and upgrades to the building were nearing completion on the side hit on 9-11 and
performed reasonably well considering they were not designed to
withstand aircraft impact. On September 11, when an American Airlines
Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon, home of the U.S. Department of
Defense (DoD),
about 20,000 people were at work in this, the largest office building
in the world. Yet according to the DoD casualty update on October 1, only 125
Pentagon employees were killed along with the 64 from the fated
airliner. (source - Architecture Week)

The exterior walls had been reinforced
with steel beams and columns, bolted where they met at each floor. Some
of these reinforced walls very near the point of impact remained in
place for a half hour before collapsing, allowing uncounted hundreds to
escape. "Had we not undertaken this effort," said Evey
at a press briefing on September 15, "this could have
been much, much worse."

Now, I'm sure everyone can agree that the above information is a matter
of public record, and none of it is incorrect, altered, or misquoted in
any way to support either side of the case. It is all merely factual
information that we will refer to in the following sections.

[Note: I was unintentionally misleading in a previous post
when I said the Pentagon didn't use a steel beam construction - while
that is still true for the original design, it was reinforced
in various areas during the upgrades to include steel beams and columns
in some areas of the renovations.]

Quoted from ArchitectureWeek.com :

In addition to major overhauls of the mechanical and electrical
systems, the Wedge One renovation included the fire sprinklers,
automatic fire doors, and the steel which saved many lives on the day
of the attack.

The blast-resistant windows were nearly two inches (5 centimeters)
thick. Some of them remain remarkably intact and in place adjacent the
point of impact. Some were popped out of their frames by the force of
the exploding jet fuel, but they fell without breaking or splintering.

Also on the exterior walls, between the steel columns, the renovation
crew had placed Kevlar cloth, similar to the material used for
bullet-proof vests. This had the effect of holding together building
materials so they wouldn't become deadly projectiles in an explosion.

Looking At the Big Picture

From facts contained above, we can all agree that:

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The length of the outside wall on any side of the pentagon is
921 feet.

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The wingspan of a 757 is 124 feet 10 inches.

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Now, everyone can agree that 921/125= roughly 7.4 right?

Given the size of the 757, and the size of the Pentagon, the damaged
area fits in perfectly with the dimensions
of both the aircraft and the building.

The above "opening gambit" is very telling since it delivers
hard facts, one after the other, all of which are accurate. It is in
this last statement that the twisting begins. The fact that the length
of the Pentagon is equivalent to 7.4 757's wing to wing, or that the
width of one 757 equals 13.5% of the facade of the Pentagon has no
bearing on the actual damage done. Indeed, given the weight and speed
of the 757 that is alleged to have impacted the building, the actual
damage done to the Pentagon is entirely inconsistent with an aircraft
of the size, weight, and speed of a 757. In other words, the argument
actually supports the "no-Boeing" theory better than it supports
"Flight 77 hit the Pentagon."

Look at the hole in the building

Here is the hole in the building - it's been reported by at least a
dozen different sources (including conspiracy theory sites) to be a 16
to 20 foot hole. That is really interesting when you take into account
the fact that the 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in
high. (Here is where I was mistaken in the past, like so very many
others I was led astray by the HEIGHT of the aircraft, which is
actually the measurement from the wheels-down to the tip of the
tail. That measurement is for aircraft hangar clearance, not the
SIZE of the aircraft.) The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet
across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something
around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building.

Here is the next twist. The Boeing 757 is not simply a 13ft
wide cylinder; if it were, then the damage to the Pentagon might be
more plausible. The reality, however, is that a Boeing 757 is a 13ft
wide, 155 ft long cylinder with a tail fin that extends 45 ft into the
air. Add to that the fact that there are two 6 ton steel engines
slung under each wing about 6 feet to each side of the cylinder body.
The wings extend out on each side for 50ft + making for a total
aircraft width of 125 feet, a total length of 155 ft and a maximum
height of 45 ft. It comes as no surprise then that this large
commercial aircraft weighs in at over 90 tons fully loaded. On
take off from Washington Dulles airport, Flight 77 weighed
approximately 82 tons.

The above nonsensical argument would have you believe that
the only thing to consider is a "13 ft wide cylinder" that just
magically lost everything else, or that everything else just "folded
up" and flew inside the building plastered to the side of that 13 ft
cylinder. Even if the wings could do that, we are still left with the
two 6 ton engines that were NOT dropped off on the lawn, and which,
together, are as wide as the cylinder body!

Look at the nose-on view of a 757 - you can see the body
is slightly less than 1/3 the size of the height of the aircraft. The
tail certainly isn't going to punch a hole through a reinforced
concrete wall; that is why there is no 40 foot hole in the front of the
Pentagon in any photos. A 40 foot object didn't hit it, a 13 foot
object did.

Again, this is not JUST a "13ft object" by any stretch of the
imagination. By now it should be obvious that the author is attempting
to subtly manipulate the reader by reducing a large, 82 ton passenger
aircraft to "a 13ft object".

Think about this.

Is "a 13ft object" a reasonable description of a Boeing 757?
Is it reasonable for the author to reduce a large plane that can carry
up to 200 adult human beings to "a 13ft object"? We could take this
unreasonable definition one step further and flesh out the image that
our author is trying to plant in our heads and say that, according to
our author, the Boeing 757 that he/she alleges hit the Pentagon, was
comparable to a large SUV, or a similar "13ft object".

While it is reasonable to state that the tail of a 757 may
not necessarily have punched a hole through the facade of the Pentagon,
can we expect to at least see some evidence of the tail
having hit the facade? More than that, we must consider the forward
momentum of those two, inescapable, 6 TON steel engines that were
neither dropped on the lawn, nor were they smashed like pancakes
against the side of the "13 ft cylinder." If I struck the facade of the
Pentagon with a sledge hammer, is it reasonable that I would be able to
cause some observable damage? The outer 6 inches of the facade of the
Pentagon is made of soft limestone, yet our author sees no problem with
claiming that such a soft surface, when struck by a piece of aircraft
weighing SIX TONS and traveling at hundreds of miles per hour, would in
no way leave any significant and observable damage.

While the "cylinder body" that our author keeps referring to
is indeed 13ft 6in high, he omits the fact that the engines extend 5
feet below the body and over six feet to either side, meaning
that, if the aircraft were actually able to successfully fly at just 1
inch above the ground (highly unlikely), the height of the "cylinder
body" above the ground would be at least 18 ft 6 inches! Let us
repeat that: if a Boeing 757 were actually able to fly at just 1
inch above the ground, the height of the "13 ft cylinder
body" would be at least 18 feet 6 inches! Now, add to that the fact
that the plane also includes those two bothersome 6 TON engines, AND a
tail fin that protrudes 25 feet above the top of the cylinder body
making for a total aircraft height of just less than 40 feet with
wheels up. Obviously then, we can reasonably expect that the damage
to the facade of the Pentagon would have extended up to this height IF
it was a 757 that hit the building.

However, according to the official Pentagon report:

"The height
of the damage to the facade of the building was much less than the
height of the aircraftâ€™s tail. At approximately 45 ft, the tail height
was nearly as tall as the first four floors of the building. Obvious
visible damage extended only over the lowest two floors, to
approximately 25 ft above grade."

Look at this
close up of the above photo:

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The top of the
hole in the middle of the white box is at the same level as the top of
the windows of the second floor, or about 23-25 feet from ground. The
three windows above this are the windows of the third floor. The foam
covered window to the top right is the fourth floor. As noted by the
Pentagon report, this area (above the center hole) is where the
tail should have struck, but there is no evidence of any
damage that we would expect from such an impact. What's more, the tail
fin was definitely not dropped on the lawn along with the two 6 TON
engines.

Conclusion? The
tail fin of a Boeing 757 did not strike this area.

What does that
suggest? That a Boeing 757 was not involved in the attack.

Is that logical
enough?

However, from
the point of view of the author on the ATS forum and the U.S.
government, we are not allowed to use such logic. Instead, we must give
in to emotional blackmail and then engage in implausible mental
gymnastics to try to explain how a 757 really could have been
involved in the Pentagon attack; and all because the US government
says so - a government that has made lies the core aspect of its
domestic and foreign policy from day one.

In terms of the
damage that should have been caused by the other parts of a 757 (you
know, the large aircraft that our author has reduced to a mere 12ft 4
in wide cylinder), the official Pentagon Building Performance Report stated that:

"The projected width
[of damage to the facade] was approximately 90 ft, which is
substantially less than the 125 ft wingspan of the aircraft"

Indeed, but there is no explanation of why there is no
damage to the facade where the wings should logically have struck.
Could it be that an aircraft with the wingspan of a 757 was not
involved?

Conspiracy theory?

No, just the most obvious and logical
explanation.

The Pentagon report also made note of the fact that:

"With the possible exception of the immediate vicinity of the
fuselageâ€™s entry point at column line 14, essentially all interior
impact damage was inflicted in the first story: The aircraft seems for
the most part to have slipped between the first-floor slab on grade
and the second floor."

That is impossible as the following graphic will show. Note
the pink line, where the "13 ft cylinder" is supposed to have slipped
"under."

Another 9/11 researcher, who is naturally
skeptical about the claim that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, produced the
above graphic and posed some obvious and logical questions about the
feasibility of the official story quoted above. Given the height of just
the fuselage (leaving out the 25 feet of tail fin), how is it
possible that the immediate damage and the debris of the plane were
"largely confined to the first floor"? And remember, we are talking
here about a scenario where the plane is flying at just one inch
above the ground!

What is more, evidence
from photos of the site show cable spools that were clearly untouched
by any incoming aircraft, suggesting that the aircraft would have to
have been flying above the maximum height of the spools (some
6 feet) when it hit the Pentagon. In this case, the damage should have
been almost entirely to the second floor!

Of course, this is not
the case, which leaves us with the logical deduction that it is highly
improbable that a 757 was involved in the attack on the Pentagon, and
that a much smaller and more nimble aircraft was used.

Among those 9/11 researchers that claim that a 757 hit the
Pentagon, much is made of the fact that the Pentagon facade was built
with "steel reinforced concrete walls". This fact is used to explain
the extremely limited immediate damage to the Pentagon facade. But how
much credit are we going to give to brick and concrete that has been
reinforced with relatively thin steel bars? Is such a wall
indestructible? If the tail fin and wings of a Boeing 757 traveling at
400mph+ hit such a wall, could we at least expect them to leave a dent?
A little scrape even?

Not at the Pentagon apparently.

Consider the picture below showing the impact hole at the WTC
North Tower:

The facade of the WTC Towers were made of prefabricated steel
yet as we can see from the imprint of the plane, these steel lattices
were in no way strong enough to stop the massive kinetic energy of the
entire aircraft impacting the building, including the wings
and tail fin and leaving a roughly 757-shaped hole in the facade.

To provide a scale reference, a survivor of the initial
impact has been circled in the above photo (click the picture for a
close up).

Given that I am no structural engineer, however, I cannot
make any claims as to the comparative strength of the steel reinforced
brick and concrete walls of the Pentagon versus the steel facade of the
WTC towers and will allow for the idea that the wall of the Pentagon was
stronger than that of the WTC. We can even theorize that it is due to
this comparative strength difference that there is not a similar
757-shaped gaping hole at the Pentagon. However, as noted, the facade
of the Pentagon was made of soft limestone 6 inches thick. Can anyone
explain why a similar shape as that in the picture above does not
appear in the soft limestone facade of the Pentagon?

In fact, there appear to be no pictures of
the Pentagon facade immediately after the attack that show a clear
picture of the exact extent of the damage. That's because all press
personnel were restricted. We only have photos because a civilian
managed to take them in spite of the "cordon sanitaire." What IS clear
is that, as the Pentagon report noted, the Pentagon facade bears NO
evidence of damage from parts of a 757 at ALL. One notable explanation
for this mysterious lack of damage offered by official government story
enthusiasts is that by some mysterious force of nature, the wings and
tail must have sheared off before impact. Of course, in such
a case, we would expect to see at least some recognisable debris of the
wings and tail section outside the building. Yet, as anyone who has
carefully inspected the evidence at the scene can attest, there is no
such debris.

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According to official
story enthusiasts, the complete lack of any debris from the wings that
we are told somehow sheared off, is not a problem: they simply
disintegrated on impact and were rendered little more than confetti
that blew away in the breeze (I kid you not; this was actually
suggested by several "researchers"). But in
this unlikely case, how do we explain that the 125 feet long wings of a
757 disintegrated, yet a fairly slender tree standing just a few feet
from the front of the Pentagon - and in the direct path of the alleged
757 - was still standing, albeit severely charred? (Charred tree
branches visible in center of image) What's more, this explanation
completely omits mention of the two six TON engines attached to said
wings.

Can we now at least accept as a possibility the
idea that a 757 was not involved in the attack on the
Pentagon?

Why is it so difficult for our author to accept this? The
answer would seem to be that since the official government story does
not allow for such a scenario, like all good and obedient citizens, our
author feels compelled to believe what the government says, regardless
of the massive historical evidence showing that, on several occasions
in the past, the U.S. government has allowed, facilitated, or actually
carried out, attacks on its own citizens and interests in order to
achieve some specific goal, usually associated with waging war on other
nations - wars like the 2003 invasion of Iraq that was a direct result
of the 9/11 attacks, including the attack on the Pentagon. Either the
ATS author is such a "good and obedient" citizen, or we must conclude
that said author is an agent of said government.

If we peruse other postings made by the ATS author on the
subject of 9/11 in general, it seems that he/she accepts the idea that
there was some level of complicity in the 9/11 attacks on the part of
the US government. Yet he/she appears to have no problem with using the
claims of the same U.S. government to back up his argument that Flight
77 hit the Pentagon.

For the record, I have nothing against the US government per
se, and have no desire to accuse the Bush administration or anyone else
unjustly. But in the case of the 911 attacks, there is significant and
compelling evidence to suggest that something is not right with the
official version of events and that members of the US government are
lying about the true nature of those events. In this case, there is a
case to answer, and my sole aim is to get at the truth, whatever that
truth may turn out to be. In pursuing this objective, I will look at
the facts and the facts alone and draw conclusions based on what those
facts suggest, alone.

At this point, we are approaching the paradox that is at the
heart of the argument of the "no 757 " debunkers. They clearly are well
aware that there is a serious problem with the lack of damage and
debris at the Pentagon, yet that does not deter them from continuing
with their increasingly unbelievable theories in an attempt to prove
that the official government story is correct. At the same time, after
coming up with bizarre explanations for the lack of damage and debris,
they are then forced to deal with the fact that, while the damage to
the Pentagon facade is not consistent with the impact of a large
commercial airliner, the damage to the interior of the Pentagon is even
less so.

Now, let's return to the ATS forum post.

Also, as I showed earlier: Here is an L1011 (it's a larger plane than a
757 - but the basic design of how a plane body is built is the same)
being scrapped, you can see that almost ALL of the support structure is
in the bottom 2/5 of the plane. This is the part that punched the hole
in the Pentagon, the rest of the thin, hollow, top of the plane just
shredded into chunks, some of which are laying
on the lawn and around the rescue vehicles. Most of a commercial
airliner is just a thin aluminum shell, insulation, a thin plastic
inner liner, some carpet and seats. They're designed to be as light as
possible so they can carry more cargo and more people while using less
fuel and at the same time remain "safe".

It is a given that the majority of mass is going to be in the bottom
half of the aircraft - the primary structure and heaviest parts are all
located there, as is the luggage and any freight.

But lets reinforce this as fact with a
photo of a 757-300 being built. (Remember, the only difference
between a 757-200 and a 757-300 is the length of the body, and the
wings on the 757-300 are reinforced and slightly deeper - the height
and width and wingspan remain identical.)

Indeed, aircraft like the 757 are made of aluminium, for the
most part, yet that does not take away from the fact that the 757 that
is alleged to have hit the Pentagon was over 80 tons and flying at over
400mph, with two six TON steel engines flanking.

(source) We should also
make a note of the yellow primer used on the interior of the
rear section.

This image shows the light green primer used on the primary
structure components in the 757 (Boeing uses the same yellow primer and
the same green primer on almost every single part of every single 757
and 767 built).

What does the green or yellow primer have to do with
anything? Well, we'll take a look at the aircraft parts from the
Pentagon wreckage photos below.

Are we to assume that Boeing is the only aircraft
manufacturer to use green primer on the shells of its aircraft? Is it
possible that this primer is an aircraft industry standard and that
other aircraft manufactures also use green primer? If so, can the fact
that some small pieces of debris that were found inside the Pentagon be
reasonably touted as evidence that it had to be a Boeing 757
that impacted the building?

Here, I direct your attention to the fact that Epoxy Primer
37035A is just exactly that shade of yucky yellow/green. It is
available from Aerospace Coatings Akzo Nobel and is designated
as "Epoxy Primer 37035A (green)" or "Epoxy Primer 37052 (green)". It is
apparently widely used on many types of aircraft.

Again, we should note that the entire argument of the ATS
author seems to be based on the premise that the official US government
story about what hit the Pentagon MUST BE correct, despite the fact
that he/she ALSO accepts the idea that there was some level of
complicity in the 9/11 attacks on the part of the US government. Again,
that is similar to taking the word of a suspected murderer about the
very murder he is suspected of having committed. It's just not logical.
Could it be that the posts on the ATS forum where "CatHerder" claims to
believe that the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks are
examples of what is known in psychology as "malignant
pseudo-identification"?

Malignant
pseudo-identification is the process by which a COINTELPRO agent
consciously imitates or simulates certain behaviors or beliefs in order
to foster the sincere activist's "identification" with him/her, thus
increasing the activist's vulnerability to exploitation.

Activists and those who have altruistic self-concepts are
most vulnerable to malignant pseudo-identification especially during
work with the agent when the interaction includes matter relating to
their competency, autonomy, or knowledge. The goal of the agent is to
increase the activist's general empathy for the agent and ideas the
agent wishes to "plant" through pseudo-identification with the
activist's self-concepts. The most common example of this is the agent
who will compliment the activist for his competency or knowledge or
value to the movement. Another is to declare identification with many
of the ideas of the activist, and then diverge on the one idea that
they have been sent in to debunk. And certainly we can see that the
issue of whether or not Flight 77 struck the Pentagon is just such an
idea that would necessitate major debunking.

Ok, but how did a hollow tube, made of mostly aluminium, manage to
punch through the Pentagon? I'm happy to try to help explain it
with the aid of the good folks at Perdue University . We'll get to
that in a moment.

This is a very good question. So which is it? You can make
the argument that a 757 was so flimsy that the Pentagon facade was
relatively undamaged by the impact, or you argue that the weight and
speed of the aircraft was such that it penetrated 3 rings of
the building, but you can't have it both ways! Any theory that attempts
to reconcile these irreconcilable claims is untenable. But that does
not seem to bother our fearless debunker. He/she has already made two
assertions (13 ft cylinder and paint color) that in no way whatsoever
"prove" any case at all, and now, with the help of the "good folks at
Perdue University", our agent - uh, excuse me, author - comes up with a
seriously far out theory to explain how a 757 could have caused the
damage to the interior of the Pentagon in spite of the fact that most
of it "just shredded into chunks" and was scattered all over the lawn.

Examining Ground
Debris

Landing Gear Evidence

Rim photographed in the Pentagon wreckage. You can clearly see it is a
double bead design as required by the NTSB, and you can also see it has
had 90% of the rim edge smashed off in the crash.

Some people have tried to claim that the rims are different from a 757
rim - well here (bottom) is a 757-200 rim from an American Airlines
757, I've outlined the exact same symmetrical holes. I think perhaps
some people are thrown off by the balancing led weights attached on the
rims in the bottom photo? Have you never taken your car in for a wheel
alignment and tire balancing? This is clearly the same kind of rim
found on a 757. (The hub-covers/grease-covers are not present for
obvious reasons - to remove one you pop it off with a flathead screw
driver... so how would you expect it to stay on in a 400mph impact with
a reinforced concrete wall?)

While we agree that the wheel rim from the Pentagon appears
to be the same as that of a Boeing 757, we need to look at the "wheel
rim" evidence firstly in the context of a massive government conspiracy
on 9/11, and secondly in context of the other - overwhelming - evidence
that points to something other than a 757 having hit the
Pentagon.

Taking these facts into consideration and the evidence for a
general 9/11 government conspiracy, is it not plausible that the
conspirators just might have "planted" evidence at some point in the
operation? After all, if CatHerder grants the possibility of a
government conspiracy and cover-up, why does he/she draw the line at
the planting of evidence?

Keep in mind that there are very few available photos of
aircraft debris inside the Pentagon: a wheel rim and a landing gear
strut, and an engine combustion chamber. The wheel rim was in the non-renovated
Wedge 2 by the AE drive hole. And despite the assertions of the
author of the ATS post, without expert analysis, no one can say that
the few recognizable airplane parts are unequivocally from a 757.

Landing gear strut - appears to be from the nose gear -
note how charred the area around it is.

This landing gear strut is inadmissible as evidence given the
fact that the CatHerder does not claim to be an expert on landing gear
and cannot verify from which aircraft this landing gear comes. As such,
it could be the landing gear strut from any number of aircraft.

The next photo is from the cover from one of the conspiracy sites
that demands "where is the plane?"- they
must not have looked very hard, there are 2 obvious chunks of it in the
photo. Another rim from the airplane on the right,
and a large chunk of bulkhead on the left.

Again the alleged "evidence" of debris from a Boeing 757 in
the above pictured debris is inconclusive. The fact that the ATS author
claims categorically that there is "a large chunk
of bulkhead on the left" is somewhat comical given his/her
admitted lack of expertise in positively identifying charred remains of
any aircraft let alone a Boeing 757. We should note that we
are not saying that "no plane" hit the Pentagon, we are simply saying
that the damage and debris is inconsistent with a Boeing 757.

Below: More parts from inside the 757 - note the Boeing green
primer on 3 parts in this photo - two circled.

Again, for anyone, let alone an amateur like CatHerder, to
claim that they can positively identify debris from a Boeing 757 from
these mangled pieces of material raises questions about the integrity
and impartiality of said individual. Can "CatHerder" be sure that these
greenish pieces of material are not from some part of the inside of the
Pentagon or from another type of aircraft? The very fact that all of
these parts and bits of "evidence" were NOT trotted out by the
government and put on display for the public and experts to examine is
more indication that if they had been, someone would have recognized
them as something else entirely.

No official explanation for the above hole in ring C has ever
been put forward, and the ATS author studiously ignores this fact. The
official Pentagon building performance report simply states that:

"There
was a hole in the east wall of ring C, emerging into AE Drive, between
column lines 5 and 7 in Wedge 2. The wall failure was approximately 310
ft from where the fuselage of the aircraft entered the west wall of the
building..."

That's it. The fact that whatever came out through this hole
is essentially the object that hit the Pentagon and did the major part
of the damage is apparently not deemed important enough, either by the
US government or CatHerder, to deserve comment.

The fact is that the above image showing the round hole that
was left in ring C is one of the most intriguing aspects of the
Pentagon attack. While we might assume that it is unofficially claimed
that one of the engines of Flight 77 made this hole (the engine being
the only part of a 757 that could possibly be strong enough to pass
through three rings of the Pentagon, never mind that it left no
evidence of its entry on the exterior of the building), as we have
seen, a disk that is verifiably part of the engine of the aircraft that
hit the Pentagon was found at the front of the building, not
in the third ring. This fact strongly suggests that the engine that the
disk came from was destroyed in the initial blast at the front of
the building. It is highly unlikely therefore that an engine of
the plane that hit the Pentagon punched out this hole. Whatever the
object was, it had enough force to breach the main reinforced steel
concrete outer wall and then travel some 250 feet, passing through
five other double-brick walls on the way. Terry Mitchell, Chief of
the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs) was
one of the first on the scene at this â€œpunch outâ€ point. In a DOD
news briefing about the reconstruction of the Pentagon he stated:

â€œThis
is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect that this was where
a part of the aircraft came through this hole, although I didnâ€™t
see any evidence of the aircraft down there.â€

Indeed, it just must have been where part of the
aircraft came out, yet there was no evidence of any part of
an aircraft that could have made the hole! Never mind that CatHerder
has just told us about all the evidence of the aircraft that is just
laying all around! Later in the same briefing when referring to the
same hole Mitchell must have realised his mistake and stated:

â€œThis
pile here is all Pentagon metal. None of that is aircraft whatsoever.
As you can see, theyâ€™ve punched a hole in here. This was punched by the
rescue workers to clean it outâ€.

So which was it? Was the hole punched out by some part of the
aircraft or by rescue workers? Was the pile of stuff aircraft debris,
as CatHerder claims, or was it "all Pentagon metal" as Terry Mitchell
says? Look again at the picture of the hole. We donâ€™t need the
contradictory statements of Mr. Mitchell to conclude that, due to the
fact that the debris is on the outside of the building, the hole was
punched out from the inside, yet how could it have been â€œpunched outâ€
by rescue workers when there are scorch marks at the top of the hole on
the outside? Did the rescue workers punch out this hole when the fire
was still raging inside? Hardly likely. Limiting air flow is part of
fighting a fire. You donâ€™t make holes to let in more air while you are
trying to extinguish a fire.

Dare we suggest that the OASD chief was lying that day? That
he changed his story because the â€œofficialâ€ version of events did not
include the idea that part of the aircraft made that hole, because it
is inconceivable that any part of a 757 could have done so?
If so, then a government official is on record as having lied about the
events at the Pentagon, yet such does not dissuade CatHerder from
trying to convince the public that the official government story about
the strike on the Pentagon is correct.

Below, another photo of a tire with the same
pattern as ones used on a 757, found in the Pentagon wreckage.

Again, for anyone to present a grainy picture of something
that vaguely resembles a tyre and then claim that this is a positive
ID of the wheel of a Boeing 757 simply gives us further cause to
believe that CatHerder either has an agenda about which he/she is not
being honest, or is so invested in his/her need to prove the government
story correct that he/she has lost any hope of being objective about
his/her analysis of the evidence.

Engine Evidence

Letâ€™s take a look at some of the ground debris that appears to be
related to an aircraft engine. Many different sites and posts have
reported that the 757 uses Rolls-Royce engines [RB211-535E4B] - however
it should be noted, for the sake of thoroughness
(ibid), that American Airlines also use Pratt & Witney engines [PW2037] in many of their 757
fleet. You can also view this information on their website. (The 757
fleets around the world actually use over six different kinds of
engines.) The 757 that is reported to have hit the Pentagon was using
RB211-535E4B engines.

Here is are photos of some apparent engine
parts from the Pentagon crash site.

Image portion cropped from (source) - Another View

What is seen in this photo is most likely the APU (Aux Power Unit) used
in a 757 that is equipped with Rolls-Royce RB211 engines. The APU
(Honeywell GTCP331-200) is located in the tail section of the aircraft
(that's what the large vent that looks like a 3rd jet engine is) as edvidenced (ibid) on this technical rescue reference aid from Boeing. Boeing 757 reference website. These small turbine engines are quite common on
modern turbine & turbofan passenger aircraft, and are used to
furnish ground auxillary power while the
main engines are shut down during ground operations. An
online training aid lets you Play around with the controls on a
757/767 instrument pannel (ibid).

The reader will notice in the above something that CatHerder
does repeatedly throughout his/her analysis. When presenting his/her
argument he/she pads out the point being made with additional
information that is often irrelevant to the point being made,
but which is included, it seems, to create the impression that the
point being made is well-researched or "factual". For example, what
does a link to an online pilot training aid that lets you play around
with a 757 instrument panel have to do with identifying the disk in the
above picture?

There have been some people who claim that a Global Hawk
was what hit the Pentagon. Here is what John W. Brown, spokesman for
Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had to say about the part in the photo
above 'It is not a part from any Rolls
Royce engine that I'm familiar with, and certainly
not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.'
(Of course it wouldn't be anything he's familiar with, it's a powerplant made by Honeywell.) The AE 3007
engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna Citation; the
AE 3007H is also used in the military's
unmanned aircraft, the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk is manufactured
by Northrop Grumman's subsidiary Ryan
Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July 1999. A detailed view of what the turbofan that powers the
Global Hawk looks like - I'm sure you can see it's too small
to be anything in the pictures contained here or anywhere else in the
Pentagon crash evidence. Also visible in this photo, one of the
757's blue passenger seats to the left of the turbine, and possibly a
2nd seat above the other seat.

Again CatHerder reveals his/her possible agenda by selective
quoting (and without references) in the above paragraph. First of all,
the comments by Rolls Royce spokesman John Brown are taken from an American
Free Press article written by Christopher Bollyn.

Bollyn undertook the task of trying to find out what exactly
the disk in the above photo was. He called Honeywellâ€™s Aerospace
division in Phoenix, Ariz., where the GTCP331-200 APU used on the 757
aircraft is made: â€œThereâ€™s no way thatâ€™s an APU wheelâ€, an expert at
Honeywell told AFP. The expert, who cannot be named, added: â€œThat
turbine discâ€”thereâ€™s no way in the world that came out of an APUâ€

The first point then is that an expert form Honeywell
that makes the APU for the 757 has stated categorically that the APU
wheel in the photo is not from a 757.

As mentioned by CatHerder, Bollyn then contacted John W.
Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), asking if the disk was
from a Rolls Royce manufactured engine, perhaps the AE3007H used in the
Global Hawk. Brownâ€™s response was:

â€œIt is
not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that Iâ€™m familiar with, and
certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.â€

Next Bollyn called Pratt & Whitney who manufactures
parts of the 757â€™s turbofan jet engines:

â€œIf
the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a Boeing 757-200 owned by
American Airlines, then it would have to be a Rolls Royce engineâ€, Mark
Sullivan, spokesman for Pratt & Whitney, told AFP.

So we have another spokesman for Pratt and Whitney, who,
along with Rolls Royce, manufacture parts of the 757s main engines (not
the APU), who has contradicted John Brown of Rolls Royce by saying that
the part MUST be from a Rolls Royce engine, which includes the
possibility that it was the AE 3007H which is the engine in a Global
Hawk, yet it is NOT the GTCP331-200 which is the APU used on the Boeing
757 as stated by the Honeywell expert.

Bollyn then contacted John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls
Royce once more, to inform him that the Pratt & Whitney
spokesperson had stated that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce
engine. At this point Brown balked and asked who at Pratt & Whitney
had provided the information.

Asked again if the disc in the photo was a piece of a Rolls
Royce RB211-535, or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not
answer.

Bollyn then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the
parts of an AE 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: â€œNoâ€, Brown
said. â€œI donâ€™t build the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I
speak for the company.â€

So the Rolls Royce spokesman that CatHerder quotes as an expert on the
evidence that the disk in the photo cannot be from a Global Hawk has
stated that he is not familiar with the parts of the Global Hawk engine
and is therefore not qualified to make any statement about the origins
of the the wheel in the photo.

We are left then with the likelihood that the disk in the
photo IS from a Rolls Royce engine, but NOT from the APU of the 757 as
stated by the Honeywell expert. Could it then be a part of one of the
main engines of a 757? By all accounts it is far too small to be the
disk from one of the 757's main engines, given that they are between 6
and 7 ft in diameter. The disk on the AE 3007H however is a little over
3 ft in diameter, and despite what CatHerder says, the disk in the
photo is a very good match for that of a AE 3007H, the engine used on a
Global Hawk but never on a Boeing 757.

Bollyn states:

Rolls
Royce produces the RB211-535 (main) engines for American Airlines
757-200 aircraft at a plant in Derby, England. Martin Johnson, head of
communications at Rolls Royce in Derby, said he had followed the story
closely in American Free Press and had also been notified in advance by
Rolls Royce offices in Seattle and Indianapolis. However, rather than
address the question of the unidentified disc, Johnson launched a
verbal attack on this reporter for questioning the government version
of events at the Pentagon on 9-11. â€˜You are the only person in the
world who does not believe that a 757 hit the Pentagonâ€™, Johnson said.
â€˜The idea that we can have a reasonable conversation is beyond your
wildest dreamsâ€™, Johnson said and hung up the phone.

While there can be no definitive statements made on the
matter, the available evidence would seem to suggest that the engine
disk in the FEMA photos is probably too small to be part of a 757
engine and, contrary to what CatHerder states, according to the
Honeywell expert that makes the APU for the 757, it is definitely not
a part of a 757â€™s APU. So what is it? It could very well be part of a
Global Hawk AE3007H engine.

Back to our ATS author:

Below is a significant portion of a badly smashed RB211 engine in
the Pentagon wreckage - what appears to be the diffusor
section of the compressor, one of the pumps remains partially attached,
some hoses and the familiar webbed wire wraps (to the right of the main
ring) and some of the Boeing yellow primed support structure is lying
beside it (left, with rivets - again: note the yellow primer, we'll
cover that further down). Reference: Image of the engine used on the
757 (it's the rightmost one, top row) Rolls-Royce

Yet again our non-expert author presents photographs of
mangled pieces of debris and asserts categorically that they are parts
from a 757 engine.

In this case, we are provided with a link to a picture of a
757 engine without its casing from which our author can apparently
quite easily identify things like the "diffusor
section of the compressor" and "one of the pumps" and "some hoses and
the familiar webbed wire wraps".

Ah yes! Those familiar webbed wire wraps, known and loved in
every household across the country! The photo below is the reference
that our author has used to positively match the mangled and burnt
debris above. Well? Can't you see it?! It's right there!! Clearly
the debris above is the very same 757 engine in the photo
below!

No? Well, obviously you just don't trust enough in the word
of the US government and its agent, CatHerder. If you did, you would be
able to see the truth straight away. (End sarcasm.)

Another engine part, bottom right.

Again, for the author, in his/her non-expert opinion, to
declare that the circular piece of debris in the above photo is
"another engine part" is either evidence of extreme subjectivity or a
deliberate attempt to mislead the reader. We are beginning to think it
is the latter.

Below: Evidence of the right engine impact on the side of
the building is evident on the large pillar being sprayed with fire
retardant. (click photo for huge version)

At this point, CatHerder's sweeping statements about damage
to the Pentagon and what caused it are getting to be somewhat farcical.
In this case, as in almost every statement made by the him/her so far,
the claim is spurious to say the least.

Click on the link to view a larger version of the photo. You
will see that the chunk of masonry that is missing is a the level of
the second floor windows in the Pentagon. If, as CatHerder states, the
engine of a 757 did this damage then the nose of the plane would have
impacted several feet higher around the middle of the second floor. Yet
CatHerder sees no problem with making such a claim while at the same
time presenting photographs that show clearly that whatever hit the
Pentagon struck the facade at the level of the first floor!

Again, we realize that we have been dazzled with more photos
and more unsubstantiated claims.

The hit lightpoles, and
damaged vehicles in the flightpath
(click for larger images)

Indeed, damaged light poles, but was it a 757 that did this
damage or another type of craft? We aren't saying that a plane did not
hit the Pentagon. Hardly anyone IS saying that. The only thing at issue
is what KIND of plane was it?

The debris field of small chunks of plane
witnesses said debris "rained down for minutes after the crash". (click
for larger images)

Again, (and we are sure you are getting tired of this by now)
the debris in the upper photos is extremely small and most likely to be
masonry from the facade of the Pentagon rather than "small chunks of
plane" as CatHerder states. Note yet again that he (or she) is making
sweeping assertions without providing any evidence at all for any of
his/her claims! Somehow, probably due to the abundance of photos and
the authoritative writing style that has very little content, many
people actually accept this bit of what can only be called "yellow
journalism" as a serious debunking of the "No Boeing" idea!

As noted by Thierry Meyssan in his book Pentagate,
even the American government has refused to recognise that the infamous
piece of debris in the lower photo on the left above is a part of the
Flight 77, yet CatHerder sagely affirms that it is, without doubt, a
piece of Flight 77. As for the "eyewitnesses" statements that debris
"rained down for minutes after the crash", we do not doubt that it did,
but that has little or no bearing on our investigation into whether
Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, or whether it was something else.

[Deleted part of CatHerder's analysis of the size of the
infamous "piece of plane" given that the point has already been made
that the US government officially disowns this as a part of Flight 77.]

Even the black boxes have been recovered, the reason given
for not playing the flight voice recorder for the media was that it
wouldn't serve any use other than to cause more emotional pain to
family members (I agree with them frankly).

Well, again CatHerder is being disingenuous.

Flight data recorders were found at the Pentagon on September
14th 2001. On Feb. 25, 2002, FBI Director Robert Mueller stated that
Flight 77's data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other
information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. [CBS]

Later, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said that the data
on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable. No further
explanation was given for these contradictory statements.

If the
cockpit voice data really was unrecoverable, it would be the first time
in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on
Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash.

From a
Scientific American feature article lauding the "Better
Black Box" in their [WWW] September 2000 issue:

Nearly
100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft
over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally
range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved
in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements.
Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire
damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to
date.

Lawyers
representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of
Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See [WWW] 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers
by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review
of the black box data. [Flight 77 Black Boxes]

So we see it was not the case that only the public
did not get to hear what was on the data recorders, the families of the
victims have been left out in the cold too.

So much for wanting to prevent emotional pain!

Of
course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack,
its black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be
very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to
carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law. [Flight 77 Black Boxes]

As an interesting aside on the black boxes, Allyn E.
Kilsheimer is the CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, the company
responsible for rebuilding the Pentagon under the Phoenix Project. He
was the head structural engineer on the rebuilding project and the
first structural engineer to arrive at the scene (at the request of the
DOD by the way). He stated:

"I
saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked
up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my
hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box."
Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane
wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held
parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts.
Okay?"

Of course, the idea that we should give any credit to the
words of someone who was immediately called by the Pentagon to come and
"assess the damage" and who went on to make millions from the
reconstruction project is laughable. Kilsheimer was also the
"government's man" at the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing and the
first WTC bombing. Coincidence?

But it doesn't end there.

Kilsheimer claimed that he "found the black box" on the afternoon of
9/11. The only problem with this statement is that it is an out and out
lie, and verifiably so.

From MSNBC:

"Carlton
Burkhammer was at work at Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Station 14
when he heard about the World Trade Center crashes. Part of Fairfax
Countyâ€™s elite urban search and rescue team, Burkhammer prepared to
suit up and head to New York City. One of the nationâ€™s most experienced
rescue teams, the squad had been deployed in disasters all over the
world: Oklahoma City, embassy bombings, the Turkey earthquake. [...]
Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another
firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the
impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two
spotted an intact seat from the planeâ€™s cockpit with a chunk of the
floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about
1.5 by 2 feet long."

Yet again we have a government agent openly and PROVABLY
lying about the events surrounding the attack on the Pentagon, but
that again does not give CatHerder any pause for thought before
trumpeting the official story as the truth.

Area of fence to the right of the impact area
partially flattened by the right engine of the plane. Note how a
couple of the poles are bent right over, some are sheered off at the
top, yet the pole and fence portion on the left is untouched (obviously
the right engine took out the fence to the right of those poles) and
the entire back side of the fence has been torn away. The generator was
hit by the right wing and engine before the 757 hit the building - the
damage is evidenced by other photos
of the crash area.

Closeup of generator smashed in the front
and gouged on the top - hard to image a missile accomplishing both of
these. But if the right engine of a 757 hit the front of the generator,
part of the wing could gouge the top. At the very least, something very
large, and very heavy smashed into this
extremely heavy desil generator.

Click the image on the left to view a large top-down image of the
impact area, including the large desil
(sic) generator which is visibly damaged, and actually spun ~45 degrees
from the impact! Most importantly it is spun ~45 degrees towards
the building - if this was a missile or a bomb, the explosion could
ONLY have spun it away from the building.

In the immediate aftermath of the Pentagon attack, the
Associated Press reported that a truck bomb had exploded at the Pentagon. There
were other reports that a helicopter had exploded. It certainly seems likely
then that something exploded in the vicinity of the Pentagon
before the main impact. As noted by CatHerder, there was a diesel
generator stationed just to the right of the impact point in front of
the Pentagon that was part of the Pentagon refurbishment project.
Diesel generators usually have a large fuel tank located somewhere
nearby to power them. Photos taken moments after the impact show an
already burning fire to the right of the main impact site that is
emitting a dense cloud of black smoke.

This black smoke is
consistent with burning fuel (diesel), which continued to burn long
after the flames and smoke from the main impact had died down.

If Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon, we would expect there to
be a major and prolonged fire from the thousands of gallons of aircraft
fuel that Flight 77 was carrying. But in the case that another smaller
aircraft was used, the lack of burning aircraft fuel would be evident.
It is our contention therefore that the conspirators detonated a bomb
near the generator just before or at the moment of impact in order to
augment the aircraft explosion claim (complete with thousands of
gallons of fuel) and also to provide a literal smoke screen in an
attempt to hide the fact that Flight 77 was not involved in the attack.

The Gate Camera

Some people don't seem to see perspective correctly. I've zoomed in,
and compared the two frames over and over - here is what I see as the
airplane. I will repeat, however, that this is terrible evidence due to
the horrible quality of the original images. I do believe, however,
that the white smoke in the images is caused by one or more damaged
engine from the impact with the multiple light poles on the way in (as
seen in the above image).

I stuck in a 757 that was at relatively the same angle - except it's
banking slightly to starboard instead of to
port - hence the ONE wing is out of place. If it was banking slightly
to port it would fit perfectly... However, once again - this is
entirely subjective and the image quality from the released
surveillance camera is not good enough to form a factual opinion.

The author's comment that "if it was banking slightly to port
it (a 757) would fit perfectly" is really quite humorous. The fact is
that you could "stick in" a tank or a bus or a large two-storey house
and they would also "fit perfectly".

The facts are as follows:

There were at least four video cameras capable of
recording the attack on the Pentagon. One was on the roof of the
Sheraton Hotel, a second was at a gas station across the road from the
Pentagon itself, the third belonged to the Virginia Department of
Transportation and was stationed on route 27, which the aircraft flew
over. The fourth was the Pentagonâ€™s security camera stationed at the
opposite one end of the faÃ§ade from where the plane struck.

The footage from the cameras at the Sheraton, the gas station
and on route 27 were confiscated by the FBI and have never been
released. The only footage made available to the public was that
recorded by the Pentagonâ€™s security camera. According to the Washington
Times however, both the DOJ and the FBI denied responsibility for
releasing the footage from the Pentagon's security camera:

"The
Pentagon has not released any video or any photos from security cameras
from the terrorist attack of Sept. 11," said Pentagon spokeswoman
Cheryl Irwin. A spokeswoman at the Department of Justice, which reviews
taped and photographed evidence obtained by federal security cameras,
said she could not comment on whether the photos are legitimate, adding
that the photos "were not disseminated by the FBI or the Department of
Justice."

Of course, a simple denial does not mean that someone within
the DOJ or the DOD or the FBI did not release the footage to
the public - after all, we are dealing with a massive 9/11
conspiracy and the footage is from the Pentagon's very own
security camera. We can assume with a reasonable degree of certainty
therefore, that someone within one of the arms of the American
military/ political/ industrial complex released the footage and then
denied that they did so, and for a very specific reason.

The above photo is the first still from the only video
footage of the Pentagon attack that has been made available. It is
alleged that it shows an approaching Boeing 757 in the upper right hand
corner. Do you see a Boeing 757-200 in this picture?

If we think back to the images and video footage of Flight 11
and Flight 175 hitting the WTC towers, we remember that we all saw both
large Boeing airplanes, as clear as day, even though they were flying
at over 500 mph and were over 1,000 feet up in the air when they struck
the WTC Towers. This provides us with an excellent guide on how such
commercial aircraft appear at that distance. The side of the Pentagon
is 971 feet long and the plane in the footage is no more than 750 feet
(250 yards) from the camera that is stationed near the opposite end of
the Pentagon. Remember the indelible images of those huge planes flying
into the World Trade Center towers? Even at that distance, even with
the size of the WTC towers, the image and size of the aircraft that was
burned into our minds from having seen the tapes replayed endlessly, is
awe-inspiring.

Now, look again at the above image from the Pentagon Security
camera of the plane approaching the building. Ask yourself the
question: where is the Boeing 757-200 in this image?

Next time you are at an airport, take five minutes and go and
look at some planes on the runway. Pick out a large passenger jet that
is approximately 750 feet away, preferably one in the process of taking
off or landing. Take a picture of it. Then look at this image from the
Pentagon Security camera again and ask yourself. Where is
that Boeing 757?!

The fact is that if a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon,
it would stick out like, wellâ€¦ like a Boeing 757 in this footage, but
the simple and obvious fact is that there is no Boeing 757 there. In
fact, there is no plane of any description in the footage released by
the Pentagon.

Note that the time stamp displays a date and time of
September 12th at 5.37:19 pm. The DOD has offered no reason for this
discrepancy, which is understandable since they claim to have no
knowledge about who released the images. In the footage, the
progression of seconds jumps from 19, where it starts, to 21 and then
on to 22 and 23 where it ends, meaning that one second and an
undetermined number of frames have been cut from the film. No
explanation has ever been offered by any official sources as to why
this video footage has clearly been â€œdoctoredâ€, why one second and
several frames have been removed â€“ frames that would likely show just
what it was that struck the Pentagon. Of course, this is very
convenient for exponents of the official story. The footage shows something
flying into the Pentagon and exploding, and since we were all
immediately told that that "something" was a 757, the case is closed,
right?

Not really.

Quite apart from the fact that the doctoring of the video
strongly suggests that someone released this footage in an attempt to
provide "evidence" to the public that a 757 hit the Pentagon, while at
the same time removing the incriminating frames and denying the public
the right to actually see what it was, in the images above we
see a stream of white smoke that is entirely inconsistent with a
commercial jet aircraft at ground level and much more in line with the
trail left by a missile launch. Please note however that I am not
saying that only a â€œmissileâ€ struck the Pentagon.

Note also the picture of actual impact and explosion.

Have you ever burned oil, or car gas or diesel? It burns with
a dense black smoke, as does oil (see above picture of claimed truck
bomb). The flame is predominantly red, which, I am told, is due to the
low burn temperature of oil-based fuel (see picture of flames from
plane explosions at WTC). While there are few bomb or explosive experts
willing to weigh in, there have been a few who claim to know about bomb
detonations who affirm that this white flame is clear evidence of
explosives detonating. In fact, several eyewitnesses to the attack made
it very clear that they knew that the explosion involved explosives, not
a mere aircraft full of fuel.

Eyewitness
to the Pentagon attack and Pentagon worker Don Perkal, was on the scene within minutes:

â€œEven before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew
explosives had been set off somewhere.â€

He also stated:

â€œHundreds
of F.B.I., Secret Service and Defense Department plainclothes
investigators were deployed in the parking lot, recording witness
statements.â€

Another eyewitness, Gilah Goldsmith said:

â€œWe
saw a huge black cloud of smokeâ€, adding that it smelled like cordite,
or gun smoke.

Witnesses
inside the Pentagon, mostly military men, described a shockwave and
a blast.

The Washington Post ran a story where it was stated:

Air
Force Lt. Col. Marc Abshire, 40, a speechwriter for Air Force Secretary
James Roche, was working on several speeches this morning when he felt
the blast of the explosion at the Pentagon. His office is on the D
ring, near the eighth corridor, he said. â€œIt shot me back in my chair.
There was a huge blast. I could feel the air shock wave of
itâ€, Abshire said. â€œI didnâ€™t know exactly what it was. It didnâ€™t
rumble. It was more of a direct smack.â€

Donald R. Bouchoux, 53, a retired Naval officer, a Great Falls
resident, a Vietnam veteran and former commanding officer of a Navy
fighter squadron, was driving west from Tysons Corner to the Pentagon
for a 10am meeting. He wrote:

â€œAt
9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the
side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards (should
be more than 150 yards from the impact) in front of me and impacted the
side of the building. There was an enormous fireball, followed about
two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to
the right when the shock wave hit.â€

John Bowman, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel
and a contractor, was in his office in Corridor Two near the main
entrance to the south parking lot.

â€œEverything
was calmâ€, Bowman said. â€œMost people knew it was a bomb.
Everyone evacuated smartly. We have a good sprinkling of military
people who have been shot at.â€

Stars
and Stripes reporter Lisa Burgess was walking on the Pentagonâ€™s
innermost corridor, across the courtyard, when the incident happened.

â€œI
heard two loud booms - one large, one smaller, and the shock wave
threw me against the wallâ€, she said.

Anger
and guilt still sear Lieutenant Colonel Michael Beans who shakes his
head ruefully and asks himself why he survived: "Why you, not them? Who
made that decision?" (â€¦) Inside the Pentagon, the blast lifted Beans
off the floor as he crossed a huge open office toward his desk. "You
heard this huge concussion, then the room filled with this real
bright light, just like everything was encompassed within this bright
light," said Beans. "As soon as I hit the floor, all the lights
went out, there was a small fire starting to burn."

So we see that several witnesses, both inside and outside the
building, described a shockwave that knocked them to the
ground. Several described it as a concussion. Such a shockwave cannot
be explained by the impact of an aircraft or the combustion of jet
fuel, and indicates the detonation of an explosive. Explosive
detonations produce blast pressures thousands of times stronger than
hydrocarbon fireballs because explosives are oxidized by chemicals
intrinsic to them whereas hydrocarbons rely on oxygen in ambient air
for combustion. Consequently the chemical reaction proceeds at a much
higher rate in an explosive.

Hydrocarbon fireballs can produce detonation waves if the
fuel and air are mixed prior to ignition, but such detonation waves are
comparatively weak. The violence of most plane crashes precludes such
pre-mixing. In the Twin Tower jet collisions, the columns of the
curtain walls diced the fuel tanks in the wings, assuring fuel and air
mixing about as optimally as could be imagined in a collision, and yet
there were no reports of detonation shockwaves from any
survivors from the floors below the impact point.

Cordite is an explosive compound used in aircraft gun
ammunition. Several witnesses with the benefit of military experience
recognized the smell of this compound. Cordite N consists of three main
explosive compounds: nitroguanidine, nitrocellulose, and nitroglycerin.
It is cool-burning, and produces little smoke and no flash, but, like
other explosives, produces a strong detonation wave.

Back to ATS forum post:

Lets look at the physics involved

Here CatHerder takes us off on a tangent that is wholly
irrelevant to the task of analysing the likely physical impact of 80
tons of metal and other solid matter on the Pentagon and therefore to
answering the question of whether or not Flight 77 hit the Pentagon,
because, despite the above heading, the only physics that is employed
by the people at Purdue University is that pertaining to the physics of
liquid, i.e. the fuel in the wings of the plane and its hypothesised
effect on the Pentagon facade and interior. It therefore has little to
do with the job of ironing out the problems of the claim that an 80 ton
Boeing aircraft hit the Pentagon. We can only assume that it is an
attempt to confuse the reader and detract from the main issue - that
the totality of evidence at the Pentagon crash site is entirely inconsistent
with a Boeing 757 having hit the Pentagon that day.

Engineers, computer scientists and graphics technology experts at
Purdue University have created the first publicly available simulation
that uses scientific principles to study in detail what
theoretically happened when the Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon
last Sept. 11

Using simulation software called LS-Dyna, the smart
folks use the physically accurate simulation results as input to
animations and visualizations to produce a vivid reenactment of the
impact of the aircraft on the Pentagon building and provide the larger
team with the necessary data to construct these using 3D Studio Max,
AutoCAD, and research tools.

Again the author is being less that transparent and omits to
specify that the referenced research looks at the impact of the liquid
in the fuel tanks and its effect on the Pentagon. In fact it
is a testimony to the fact that even those that hold to the official
version of events have had to resort to the idea that, in their own
words:

"a
basic hypothesis, informally confirmed with engineers knowledgeable in
this subject, is that the bulk of the impact damage is due to the body
of fuel in the wing and center tanks."

And why? Because the damage to the Pentagon, including the 8
feet wide circular hole punched out in ring C is ENTIRELY inconsistent
with the impact of an 80 ton 757 jetliner.

The Purdue folks further state that:

"The
purpose of this simulation is to understand the response of a
reinforced concrete column subjected to high-speed impact of the fuel
in the aircraft tanks."

But CatHerder conveniently leaves the details out.

Now we can see, through a very competent and valid
simulator, what happened in the attack on the Pentagon.
Click
here to view a video generated by the simulator. Or, click here to read the white paper.

Again, this simulation does not show us "what happened in the
attack on the Pentagon"; it shows us the
hypothesised effect of the FUEL in the wings on the Pentagon and is an
example of the desperate attempts to find an explanation, ANY
explanation, for why the impact damage is NOT consistent with the
impact of a 757 when the government says it was a 757. In fact, the
study above is contradictory if one wants to stick with the "13 ft
cylinder" and "confetti-ized" wings theory. You can't have it both
ways.

In layman's terms the crash
dynamics worked like so: A large hollow tube, with a belly full of
luggage, a passenger bay with 60 people, and wings full of fuel smashed
into the side of an almost solid object while moving at a tremendous
speed (somewhere around 350-400mph). When the 225,000lb+ plane hit, it
smashed apart with such force from the crash that it became like one
massive column of liquid (no, the plane didn't melt or turn into
liquid, it just acted like one physically - mountainslides
act the same way, a million tons of rock acts like a large field of
liquid during a landslide even if no water is present). All the small
parts, luggage, people, seats, and all the tens of thousands of pounds
of fuel acting like a massive river came crashing into the wall of the
Pentagon. This force burst through the outside wall and flowed through
the inside to the next wall, and momentum carried this mass until it
finally ran out of inertia at the 3rd ring.

Plane hitting WTC (another example of crash fluid
dynamics) - RealAudio Required - note how
the 767 "liquifies" and flows through the
WTC tower.

Please do read the information on the Perdue website yourself - I don't
do it justice with my one paragraph of paraphrasing!

Indeed, not only does the author's paraphrasing and selective
use of data not tell the truth about the real nature and reason for
this "simulation", it attempts to distract and confuse the reader by
suggesting that an 80 ton solid aircraft was little more than a column
of liquid! Again, you can't have it both ways. If you are going to
include the wings and fuel tanks, and twin 6 TON engines, then the hole
is way too small for all of this together to have created it.

For anyone to try and compare the effects of an 80 ton
aircraft crashing into a building at 400mph to the effects of a
landslide of rocks and soil is far-fetched at best, yet it is testimony
to the extreme lengths that CatHerder must go to to try and prove that
a 757 hit the Pentagon when there is simply no evidence to stand on.

If a 757 really did hit the Pentagon then there should be no
need for outlandish theories about columns of water. The evidence
SHOULD be all there, and it should be a breeze to present facts that
would quickly dismiss any attempts to suggest otherwise.

But we see that this is not the case - in fact the exact
opposite is true! CatHerder is finding it very difficult to prove
something that should be easily provable if the evidence was there for
ALL to see.

Please read again his/her claim that the plane:

"smashed apart
with such force from the crash that it became like one massive column
of liquid (no, the plane didn't melt or turn into liquid, it just acted
like one physically) [....] all the small parts, luggage, people,
seats, and all the tens of thousands of pounds of fuel acting like a
massive river came crashing into the wall of the Pentagon. This force
burst through the outside wall and flowed through the inside to the
next wall, and momentum carried this mass until it finally ran out of
inertia at the 3rd ring"

It is amazing to observe CatHerder suggesting that, on impact with
the Pentagon, all of the parts of a 757 broke into pieces - flew
everywhere as confetti - then somehow formed themselves into a 9 foot
wide 20 feet tall concentrated column of energy (or water-like
substance) that broke through 5 walls of the Pentagon leaving a neat 8
ft by 12 ft round hole in the final 6th wall. Understand also that it
is to such outlandish lengths that anyone, not just CatHerder, must go
to if they want to make a 757 "fit" as the object that struck the
Pentagon on September 11th 2001.

(Removed two aerial images of Pentagon before and
after impact due to a lack of any stated reason for inclusion. See ATS
website to view them.)

Eye Witness Testimony

Lets look at some eye witness testimony sticking only to people
who saw a plane hit the building, and not look at people who saw an
airliner, but didn't see an airplane hit the building because they
looked away or were too far away (behind a hill, behind a building,
etc) to see it actually hit the building.

"Aydan Kizildrgli,
an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner
bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided
building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was
a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the
car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"

- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA
Today, 11 Sep 2001

Note that in the above, the statement that this eyewitness
saw an "airliner" is made by the USA reporter who wrote the story, not
by the eyewitness himself who only heard a "big boom".

"Frank Probst, an information
management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his
office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept.
11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial
airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77
reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst
dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired
Officer Magazine, January 2002

Again, the comment that this eyewitness saw a "commercial
airliner" is made by the reporter, not the eyewitness. In any case, an
information management specialist working on the Pentagon Renovation
Program is hardly a credible witness.

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean,
was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew
over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways
plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the
grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The
whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never
imagine I would see anything like that here.'"- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts."The Guardian, 12
Sep 2001

As I have said,
I am not suggesting that no plane hit the Pentagon, I am suggesting
that no 757 hit the Pentagon. I believe a plane did hit the Pentagon,
because there is evidence of aircraft debris, (however scant that
debris might be) and that it was dressed up in American Airline colors,
complete with fake windows, in which case, it is possible that
eyewitnesses may have concluded it was a passenger plane. Of course, a
passenger plane is also the description of an aircraft the size of a
twelve or twenty seat private jet, or something about the size of such
a jet painted with AA colors.

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but
stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew
over.'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the
plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It
was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit
some lampposts on the way in.'"- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian,
12 Sep 2001

This testimony is consistent with an aircraft hitting the
Pentagon, but not necessarily a 757. The comment that a "huge screaming
noise" was heard is contradicted by other testimonies (below)

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian
Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that
Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low
over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke
and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said." -
"Hell on Earth." UU World

This eyewitness
did not explicitly say that he saw AA Flight 77. His actual testimony
is prefaced with the comment by the reporter that "American Airlines
Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car". What the eyewitness
actually saw was a "puff of white smoke", which is very interesting.
One naturally wonders why the reporter did not quote the witness
entirely instead of putting words in his mouth that he may never have
said.

"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan
Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were
stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they
saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off
the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing
more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see
the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening
thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels
up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

If this testimony is truthful, then there is little doubt
that this eyewitness saw a plane, but was it a 757? Notice that he
never says that it was a Boeing 757. More "selective quoting."

Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the
woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her
face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of
our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn't
until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind
us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.
The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible
moment." Massachusetts News

If this testimony is truthful, then there is little doubt
that this eyewitness saw a plane, but was it a 757? Having said that,
we note that Gary Bauer was a presidential candidate in 2000 and is an
avowed right-winger and Bush supporter, for what it's worth.

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller
and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and
the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit
the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground
and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the
building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001

CatHerder must be completely unaware of what constitutes a
credible witness. Perhaps it escaped him/her that we are dealing with a
government conspiracy to murder and the testimony of a Pentagon
official can hardly be called impartial.

"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that
we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was
obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The
distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the
fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA
bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and
took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina
said. Captain Defina was the shift
commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001

Captain Defina may well have seen pieces of a nose gear, or
some aircraft part that looked like a nose gear, but to which aircraft
did these pieces belong? Having said that, it is somewhat surprising
that the nose gear from any aircraft would be visible inside the
Pentagon if we are to believe that the nosegear took the full force of
the initial impact. After all, the nose gear is one of the most fragile
parts of a Boeing aircraft, being made out of carbon rather than
aluminium, and would undoubtedly be destroyed beyond recognition by the
time it reached the interior of the building. Of course, if the nose
gear of the plane that struck the Pentagon was not the first
thing to impact, then it is possible that some nose gear debris might
be found inside.

That's just a small smattering of people who have
gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I
could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't
see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees),
but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and
actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one firechief who states he saw some plane wreckage
during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty
times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the
crash, or simply don't want the attention. You can't honeslty sit there and deny the witnesses, the
photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a
terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available
and not one single tidbit of information at a time.

If that's the best CatHerder can do in assembling testimony,
it simply proves our point about the overly anxious and desperate
efforts being made to prove something that, if it were true, would not
require such efforts.

Notice the subtle suggestion that CatHerder's analysis
includes "everything available". Notice also that the two testimonies
from Pentagon employees are included in those that CatHerder believes
to be the "most valid". Also, having presented us with some dubious and
inconclusive eyewitness testimonies, we are told that we cannot deny
that these testimonies are proof conclusive that a 757 really did hit
the Pentagon! What is true, as CatHerder states, is that there are
indeed many more eyewitness testimonies that he/she could have
included. However, once you read some of them, you will understand why
he/she did not include them.

For example:

Lon Rains, an editor of Space.com, was also an eyewitness to the
Pentagon attack. He commented:

â€œIn light
traffic the drive up Interstate 395 from Springfield to downtown
Washington takes no more than 20 minutes. But that morning, like many
others, the traffic slowed to a crawl just in front of the Pentagon.
With the Pentagon to the left of my van at about 10 oâ€™clock on the dial
of a clock, I glanced at my watch to see if I was going to be late for
my appointment. At that moment I heard a very loud, quick whooshing
sound that began behind me and stopped suddenly in front of me and to
my left. In fractions of a second I heard the impact and an explosion.
The next thing I saw was the fireball. I was convinced it was a
missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane.â€

Allen Cleveland
of Woodbridge Virginia looked out from a Metro train going to National
Airport, to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. "I thought,
'There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,' " Before
he could process that thought, he saw "a huge mushroom cloud. The lady
next to me was in absolute hysterics."" . . a silver passenger jet, mid
sized"

Steve Patterson, 43, said he was watching
television reports of the World Trade Center being hit when he saw a
silver commuter jet fly past the window of his 14th-floor apartment in
Pentagon City:

â€œThe plane was
about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20 feet off the
ground, Patterson said. He said the plane, which sounded like the
high-pitched squeal of a fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetery so
low that he thought it was going to land on I-395. It was flying so
fast that he couldnâ€™t read any writing on the side. The plane, which
appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed straight for the
Pentagon but was flying as if coming in for a landing on a nonexistent
runway"

â€œI was right
underneath the planeâ€, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for
Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of
Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon.
â€œI heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying.â€

Kirk Milburn - who was driving his vehicle at the time - said
he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon, and because he saw
it he also said, â€œI heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flyingâ€.

What he said next, however, is not in keeping with a 757:

â€œI guess it was
hitting light polesâ€, said Milburn. â€œIt was like a whoosh whoosh, then
there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion.â€

Notice that the witness says, â€œI guess it was hitting the
light polesâ€. One suspects that he couldnâ€™t see it if he was
guessing. What is most interesting is that he said, â€œIt was like a
WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second
explosionâ€. No doubt he saw something, but since he was also
driving at the time, it is not certain exactly what he saw.

Two early, primary witnesses have described a sound of a
â€œwhooshâ€! The second one, when he couldnâ€™t see it, said it was like a
â€œWHOOSH whooshâ€, just like the other man who couldnâ€™t see it, but then
he has also told us that he saw a plane and heard a plane. But what he
described was most definitely not a 757 flying low over his head.

A 757, under no circumstances makes a sound of â€œwhooshâ€, and
if the â€œwhooshâ€ sound was being made by the hitting of light poles, it
is a certainty that if a 757 was doing it, you would not hear the
â€œwhooshâ€ of hitting light poles over the roar of the jet engines. If
thereâ€™s a 757 right overhead thatâ€™s hitting light poles, and itâ€™s going
460 mph, it would not be â€œwhooshingâ€! Anyone that has ever spent any
time at the end of an international airport runway knows that the sound
of a large commercial jet flying low overhead would be more accurately
described as a deafening ROAR!

It is true that
eyewitness testimonies are notoriously unreliable. Take ten witnesses
to an event and it is likely that you will get ten responses that will
differ from each other in one aspect or another.

Memory Conformity: Disentangling the Steps towards
Influence during a Discussion

(Amina Memon & Fiona Gabbert, Aberdeen and Dan Wright, Sussex
University).

It is human nature for people to discuss their shared experiences,
especially of extraordinary events such as witnessing a crime. Recent
studies of several high profile cases have shown that even a single
erroneous eyewitness can have a significant negative influence on the
accuracy of another eyewitnessâ€™s testimony if the witnesses come into
contact with one another and discuss the criminal event. Although it is
natural for people to discuss their experiences, it is highly
problematic for the legal professionals, and our system of justice, if
evidence â€“ in the form of witness statements â€“ becomes contaminated.

Our previous research (funded by the Economic & Social Research
Council) investigated how peoplesâ€™ memories can become influenced
during a discussion about a mutually experienced event under controlled
laboratory-based conditions. When people discuss an event what one
person says is often adversely incorporated into the other personâ€™s
report. ...

Having said
that, given the nature of the events that are alleged to have occurred
at the Pentagon on 9/11 - a large commercial airliner crashing into a
large building, we might expect most people to concur at least on the
basic details. But, as we have seen, that is not the case with the
Pentagon attack.

I am of the opinion therefore that the very conflicting
nature of the testimonies of the eyewitnesses to the Pentagon
attack are important clues revealing the true nature of what happened
that day. Imagine that a significant number of people are witness to a
large commercial airliner flying extremely low and at high speed over
an urban area and crashing into a building. Imagine also that, not long
thereafter, all eyewitnesses to the event are told by authorities and
the media that it was indeed a large commercial airliner that flew into
the building. Now ask yourself: in such a case, how likely is it that
there would be any serious discrepancies between the
testimonies of those eyewitnesses? How likely is that any of
the eyewitnesses would report that what they actually saw was a small
aircraft or something that sounded like a missile? Unlikely, I would
suggest.

Now imagine that
a significant number of people are witness to a drone aircraft like the
Global Hawk for example, which also flies very low and very fast over
an urban area. While the wingspan of this drone craft is quite large,
it is much smaller in overall size to a large commercial aircraft.
Imagine also that this drone is painted with the colors and logo of a
well-known airline that are only ever seen on large commercial
aircraft. Imagine that there are even â€œwindowsâ€ painted on the side to
make the illusion all the more convincing. Imagine that, not long after
witnessing the incident, all eyewitnesses to the event are told by
authorities and the media that what they saw was a large commercial
airliner flying into the building. Now ask yourself: in such a case,
what are the chances that there would be seriously conflicting reports
between eyewitness accounts of the incident? Very good, I would
suggest.

Eyewitness
accounts are indeed useless when one must rely on them as the sole
evidence. This is not, however, the case with the Pentagon attack.
There is already much evidence - the facts on the ground - to
suggest that it was not a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon on
9/11. The fact that there are serious conflicts in eyewitness accounts
merely serves to back up this other evidence that it was NOT a Boeing
757 that hit the Pentagon. We might also
wonder why there are no conflicting WITNESS reports of what hit the WTC
towers? All eyewitnesses to the event in New York concurred that two
large passenger plane hit the North and South towers. Of course, we
were all treated to ad nauseam repeats of the video footage of that
event, leaving no one in any doubt about what happened. So why not
treat us all to the video evidence from the Pentagon?

There is one very obvious answer to this question: the video
footage, held by the US government, would disprove the official story.

911 Tape of EMV responding to the Pentagon -
includes video outside and inside the building in some areas. (Real
Audio Required)

The above video
and audio of EMV responding is completely inconsequential to the
investigation at hand, and I can think of no reason why CatHerder would
include it, other than to attempt in some subtle way to drive home the
official claim that a 757 hit the Pentagon.

Conclusion

I highly doubt that local firefighters would be involved in any
sort of a coverup. I highly doubt
that local police officers would be involved in any sort of a
government cover up. Cops and firemen are just average Joes like you
and me, who go home to the wife and kids, and just try to make a living
and have a good life for their families (I have many friends in both
professions - of course the firemen are usually more stable
marriage-wise because of their job but that doesn't make the cops any
less human than you or I). The men and women who pulled over a hundred
people (dead and alive) out of that building would more likely than not
have noticed somebody carrying over 60 bodies into the middle of the
fire they were fighting. To say that the plane that hit the Pentagon
was not filled with every single person who died in this terrorist
attack (not counting the unfortunate people inside the building) is one
thing and one thing only - ignorant.

Oh, LORD! Not the dreaded "malignant pseudo-identification"
again! You know, the process by
which a COINTELPRO agent consciously imitates or simulates certain
behaviors or beliefs in order to foster "identification" with him/her,
thus increasing the vulnerability to exploitation. Yes indeed,
CatHerder is just an "average Joe" like "you and me." And just to make
it hit home, the emotional hooks of "family," a "good life," "making a
living," and "stable marriages" are tossed in there followed by the
final tear jerker, an outrageous reference to the people who died that
day. It is outrageous because it is finally clear that CatHerder is,
indeed, an agent of disinformation and using such emotional ploys, as
this is truly malignant pseudo-identification.

Having said that, let's return to the fact that the point is
not that firefighters or police officers were involved in the cover up
as CatHerder slickly suggests is the claim of anyone who says that
Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, but rather that any of them that
saw something they were not meant to, could have been easily silenced.
The most obvious way to silence the "average Joe" who is honest,
hard-working and normally patriotic, is to impress on such a person
that they must not talk about something due to "national security". If
they were to persist in wanting to talk about what they saw, more
persuasive methods can be used like threats to their livelihood etc.,
up to and including murder. But murder is seldom required. A simple
letter with details of family and friends and an order to "keep your
mouth shut" is more than enough for most people. As CatHerder says:
"cops and firemen are just average Joes like you and me, who go home to
the wife and kids, and just try to make a living and have a good life
for their families." They are not likely to risk their livelihood, or
the lives of their children for 5 minutes of fame on national TV. They
keep their mouths shut. And that's a tragedy that CatHerder doesn't
seem to be able to understand.

As regards the
"carrying of 60 bodies into the middle of the fire". This is simply
more evidence of CatHerder's attempts to confuse and manipulate the
reader. I know of no site that suggests that the bodies of the
passengers on Flight 77 were carried into or out of the Pentagon after
the attack. The identification of the bodies was carried out off site
by the state pathologist. We were never shown footage nor did we hear
reports about anyone picking up pieces of passengers from Flight 77
from the attack site, we were simply told that all passengers were
identified from their DNA from body parts that were in the possession
of the state pathologist. It is simply assumed that the state
pathologist got the bodies parts from the Pentagon site, because of
course, the government told us that Flight 77 crashed there - where
else would the body parts come from!? But as I have shown, it is
extremely unlikely that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, which
makes the question of how the state pathologist got hold of body parts
from the passengers a very interesting question.

Of course, we have not even touched on that most bizarre
aspect of the Pentagon strike - the alleged final approach of Flight
77. Think about this:

The hijackers are a few thousand feet up in the air, they spot the
distinctive shape of the Pentagon and decide, "that's our target". What
do they do next?

Well, logic would suggest that they take the easy and most effective
option and nose-dive the plane towards the center of the Pentagon,
thereby maximising the chances of actually hitting the building at such
high speed and also causing the most damage.

But no, our
intrepid "Arab terrorists" have a much more complicated plan:

They are going to fly the airliner at maximum speed just a few feet off
the ground into the facade of the Pentagon; but not just any part of
the facade. No indeed, these guys have a plan. Their specifically
chosen "bull's eye" is the section of the facade of the Pentagon that
had recently been reinforced and, due to the ongoing internal work, had
a significantly reduced number of people in it. These nutty hijackers,
consumed with rage and anger at America, its government, its military
and its citizens, and determined to inflict as much carnage as
possible, had somehow chosen the strongest part of the Pentagon which
at the same time had the lowest concentration of people!

Now how's that for bad luck!

To carry out their bizarre plan, which appears designed to minimise
death and destruction at the Pentagon rather than maximise it, and
given that they realise that they are very poor pilots, failing to possess the skills to
master the controls of a single-engined cessna, our intrepid
"terrorists" decide that they will execute a difficult fast descent
from 7,000 feet combined with a 270 degree turn.

This done, they are now at a few hundred feet and in "line of sight" of
the Pentagon up ahead of them. The only problem is that they are now
confronted with a veritable obstacle course of cars, roads, bridges,
buildings, trees etc between them and their target. Not to worry - they
have Allah on their side after all. By some miracle they manage to
navigate the massive hulk of the 757 through down town Washington while
flying at 500 mph and just a few dozen feet off the ground, getting
lower all the time. They make just a little booboo and clip a couple of
light poles on the way in, but despite this and the fact that their
massive manual missile is just feet of the ground, they politely avoid
messing up the Pentagon lawn and finally slam into their target at
ground floor level.

Now that is one fantastical magical mystery of a story,
worthy of inclusion in any children's fairy tale.

Review the facts
Â·
Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building -
somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)

Initial hole only fits the size of a 757 if you subtract the
wings, twin 6 TON engines, and tail fin which somehow did not hit the
building. Even then the fuselage would have had to slip into the
building leaving a round hole that exactly conformed to the diameter
and height of the cylindrical tube. In short, highly unlikely, not to
mention the fact that the two 50 feet long wings with twin 6 TON steel
engines somehow disappeared and could not be found in the wreckage
outside the building.

Â·
Rims found in building match those of a 757

Rims - IF they were 757 rims - were quite possibly planted or
were the rims from another type of aircraft.

Â·
Small turbine engine outside is an APU

Indeed, it may well be an APU. But as noted previously, a
Boeing spokesman has confirmed that the APU was NOT the APU from a 757.

Â·
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk
engine

This is simply not true. No one has come forward to confirm
or deny that the disk seen in photos from outside the Pentagon could
have come from a Global Hawk. Given the small size of the disk, it is
likely that it did not come from a large 757 engine but rather a
smaller-engined aircraft. Like a Global Hawk.

Â·
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos

The mangled blue
debris could be anything and is inadmissible as conclusive "evidence"
of any part of any aircraft.

Â·
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo

The only piece of debris showing part of lettering that appears
similar to lettering on American airlines craft is pristine, no
smoke or explosion damage and has not been accepted by US government as
coming from Flight 77. It seems that CatHerder is not only pushing the
government line but is going so far as to accept evidence that even the
US government wont touch due to its obviously suspect nature.

Â·
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211

Our author is a self-proclaimed non-expert in such matters
yet sees fit to pronounce conclusively that mangled pieces of aircraft
material are definitely parts of a specific aircraft engine. This alone
should make any reader of this fine piece of disinformation wary.

Â·
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing
paint primer schemes

The primer is used on many aircraft.

Â·
Large deisel (sic) generator in
front of building hit by a large heavy object

Diesel generator was probably moved by initial explosion as
reported in early news releases.

Â·
Large deisel (sic) engine outside
is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb
blast or missile explosion

Nonsense. See previous comment.

Â·
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner

Multiple eyewitnesses say they saw a private jet sized
aircraft, others said it sounded like a missile.

Â·
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon

Multiple eye
witnesses who announced that they saw an American airliners passenger
jet were also government and mainstream media employees and their
testimonies are therefore unacceptable.

Â·
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster
identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage

60+ bodies were
not identified. DNA from all of the passengers was identified, which is
actually an interesting point. How can it be that the impact and fire
were allegedly so intense that they shredded into tiny pieces and
disintegrated much of the plane, although not all of it, yet body parts
from all passengers were recovered and identified?

Conclusion:

It is unlikely that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon because the
available evidence is not consistent with the impact of a 757 airliner.

As I have already stated, the best approach for any 9/11
researcher with honest intentions would be to wipe from their minds the
official version of events and take the attitude of someone who has
just returned from a 5 year trip to the outer reaches of the solar
system, during which time they had no communication with planet earth.
If such a person were given all of the publicly available evidence and
furnished with knowledge of the effects of airplane crashes and that of
missile impacts, it is highly improbable that such a person would
conclude that a 757 caused the damage at the Pentagon.

Why?

Because the evidence suggests otherwise.

Again I will state that it is only because of the claim by
the government and the media that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon that anyone
would ever try and suggest that a 757 did the damage. The evidence that
Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon is so abundant that we continue to
be amazed that apparently intelligent people are nevertheless very
capable of ignoring facts and concocting elaborate (and often absurd)
theories to avoid having to accept that which is right under their noses.

In the months
that followed the 9/11 attacks, it was web sites like Signs
of the Times that took on the job of debunking the clearly false
official story about 9/11, in particular the attack on the Pentagon.
While we certainly expected a response to our efforts from mainstream
newspapers and other government shills, it came as somewhat of a shock
and disappointment to realise that other alleged 9/11 researchers
joined the attack and attempted to debunk our debunking of the official
story. The result is that many honest 9/11 researchers are having to
engage in the type of "third level" debunking that I have presented
above - a debunking of a debunking of a debunking as it were.

Of course, over
the course of the past 4 years, we have become much more familiar with
the disinformation tactics of government CoIntelPro. In modern day
Iraq, it is generally understood that one of the main roles of US and
Israeli intelligence agencies is to foment ethnic strife among the
Iraqi people. The logic behind this is that if the Iraqis are fighting
themselves, they have less time and energy to fight American soldiers.
It should come as no surprise then that the same tactics have been used
by US intelligence agencies to deal with honest 9/11 research. But the
task of getting honest people who share a common goal to fight with
each other is not easy. It requires infiltration over a long periods of
time coupled with subtle manipulation of the parties involved.
Thankfully for the intelligence agencies, there is another much easier
way: you simply have one of your own operatives pose as a Sunni
Insurgent or an honest 9/11 researcher and have him attack his fellow
insurgents/researchers. Hey presto! You've just created "division" and
"infighting" which distracts and confuses the enemy. In the case of
9/11 the "enemy" are the honest 9/11 researchers and the members of the
public who look to them for information.

The question then is: are we dealing with such a
manufactured group in the Above Top Secret website and forum?

It's hard to tell. There are without doubt many sincere U.S.
and other citizens and web site owners who promote the official story
about 9/11 because they believe (or perhaps need to believe) that the
government is telling the truth. Equally certain is the fact that there
are many US citizens and website owners who know for sure that the
government story is false, yet have been consciously recruited to push
this story on the public. Members of the latter group are simply doing
their job, but their influence is most directly felt among members of
the former group who want to believe the official story.

Having said that, after reading through the long ATS thread
that followed the posting of "CatHerders" article, I have come to the
tentative conclusion that the ATS website is just one more
government-funded damage control operation, albeit a very subtle one. I
will explain why I came to this conclusion.

CatHerders article was received with much fanfare on the ATS
forum, and much debate and analysis ensued with the thread finally
reaching 125 pages. As the discussion and debate raged, it became
apparent that many were convinced by CatHerder's article, but just as
many were not. On the 8th page of the thread, two of the three owners of
the ATS website weighed in and attempted to silence the naysayers with
some large fonts and guilt trips. For example, "SkepticOverlord", "one
of the three ATS amigos and co-owner of Abovetopsecret.com" wrote:

"It's very disappointing to see ignorance embraced like this
[referring to those who were not embracing Catherders article as "the
truth"]

Why? Because the real information is not wrapped up in an exciting
Flash animation with angry metal grind? [referring, undoubtedly, to our
Pentagonstrike Flash]

Shall we change our motto?

Ignorance Embraced [the ATS motto is "deny ignorance" which seems to be
a twist on the QFG motto: Knowledge Protects, Ignorance Endangers.]

I still remember speaking to my brother (who was on the highway at the
time) calling me that evening, haunted by the memory of a brief glimpse
of faces in the windows of the 757. Especially when he discovered his
friend was on the flight later that day.

This is a sad moment for ATS. I feel like I now see faces."

Very moving. Very manipulative, too. "Springer", another
Co-owner, then added the following:

PITIFUL... "CH" (Catherder) has proven his/her POINT beyond
much of anything that even comes close to logic... But ALAS, as S.O.
(other ATS co-owner) Points out, it is NOT wrapped up in a pretty flash
animation filled with BUNK so it must NOT be beleived... [another
obvious reference to the Pentagon Flash.]

Sad Day for ATS indeed..."

Yes indeed, there's nothing like subjecting your subscribers
to a little guilt trip to get them in line.

What is clear from reading the thread is that the owners of
the ATS site and the author of the article in question are of the
opinion that Arab terrorists, as they are presented by the US
government, are real and that a group of them hijacked four planes and
attacked the US on 9/11. The only "9/11 conspiracy" that these people
hold to then is that the US government may have let 9/11
happen, and the fact is that there are many self-described 9/11
investigators who promote the same idea. You could call it "9/11
conspiracy lite", designed for those who lack the stomach for the
unsavory reality of what 9/11 actually meant and where it is taking us.

The problem with such an explanation is that it subtly
suggests that, in 9/11, what we are dealing with is nothing more than
corrupt government or a few corrupt men, and we all know governments
are often a little corrupt, right? The obvious solution, of course, is
to simply remove the corrupt government or the few men and we can then
get on with the job of fighting those damn "terrorists".

What is missing, however, is the awareness that the
"terrorist threat" that came front and center after 9/11 is crucial to
the entire conspiracy. It is Bush's "war on terror" that plagues the
world to this day, long after 9/11 has lost its edge and drifted to the
back of the collective consciousness. It is the threat from "Islamic
terrorists" that has led the US military to massacre 100,000 Iraqi
civilians over the past two years, and you can be sure they are only
getting started. Proponents of such a theory expect us to believe that
the fact that terrorist hijackers gifted the Neocons with the
justification to accomplish their long-held goals is just a matter of
good luck!

Anyone that
researches the 9/11 event and, most importantly, the background to
American and Israeli plans for the Middle East and Israeli government
penetration of the American political system, cannot but come to the
conclusion that the 9/11 attacks, in their entirety, must
have been stage-managed by those who stood to benefit most from the
attacks. The fact is, if your goal is to sell the lie that 'Arab
terrorists' hijacked planes and flew them into buildings, you don't
need to involve real Arab terrorists or real hijacked planes. Indeed,
it would not even be advisable to do so given the logistics of getting
Arab hijackers, or people masquerading as Arab hijackers, to give their
lives in service to your plot and avoid the distinct possibility that
details of the plot would be leaked. No, all you need to do is to make
it appear that way with some well placed evidence and then
claim that it is so.

We notice that very few items of so-called "conspiracy
theory" have rattled the "Bushes" quite like our Pentagon
Strike Flash did. The Pentagon Strike video came out on August 23rd
2004. Probably nobody really noticed it at that point, but it hit a
chord of response in the hearts of millions of people around the world.
They began to madly download and forward it to their friends and
relatives. Latest stats on how many people have viewed it to date are
500 million!

Apparently it
even landed in the email box of the Editor of the Washington Post,
which is why Carol Morello sent us an email asking for an interview. Or
so she said. My suspicion was that the Post was instructed to
do "damage control", albeit oh, so gently!

Now, look at this mini-timeline:

August 23rd 2004: Pentagon
Strike Video which propagates wildly for a month.

September 11,
2004: CatHerder post to Above Top Secret forum.

September 21st 2004: First contact by Carol Morello of
the Washington Post

October 7th 2004: Washington Post article

It was an interesting feeling to know that if they hadn't
seen the Pentagon Strike before, certainly George and Dick, Karl and
the gang were watching it after the Washington Post wrote an
article about it.

October 19th 2004: George Bush visits New Port Richey - a previously
unscheduled "whistle-stop" on his campaign trail. NPR is very small,
not likely to be a major target of any presidential candidate, but it
just happens to be Laura Knight-Jadczyk's hometown. It was our initial
reaction that Dubya's visit to Laura's little home town - certainly of
no importance on the campaign trail - was deliberately done to send a
message to her. Fact is, her daughter's ex-boyfriend wrote to tell her
that he had been among those selected to shake the hand of George W.
himself! Now, how's that for a coincidence?

As to exactly what Carol Morello of the Washington Post
wrote to Laura, here is the pertinent passage which is actually quite
revealing:

A couple of
editors here saw the video/film, and I was asked to find out what I
could about it. As you can imagine, we continue to have an intense
interest on the attack on the Pentagon and the people who were
affected.

I've just begun
reporting, so it would be premature to tell you what "perspective" my
story would have.

My initial
impressions are that the questions and theories expressed in the video
got a spurt of attention in early 2002, after the publication of a best
selling book in France, then the furor died down for a while, and now
they have re-emerged with the extraordinarily wide dissemination of
this video on the Internet.

The 911
Commission report appears to have done little to dampen the
controversy. I hoped to speak to you about how and why you posted it on
your web site, what kind of response you've received and what you think
about it. [â€¦]

Notice that she attributes the resurgence of interest in the
"Pentagate" problem to the Pentagon Strike video. Can we say "damage
control"?

And if there is damage control, then that means there is
damage.

Up to this point in time, the only acknowledgement the
administration ever gave to such issues was to refer vaguely and
dismissively to "conspiracy theories". Now, suddenly, it seems that
dealing with the "conspiracy theories" in a direct manner was seen to
be imperative. "9/11: Debunking the Myths" came out in Popular
Mechanics Magazine in March of 2005, just five months after
the Washington Post article. That's pretty fast work.

Under the tutelage of Editor in Chief Jim "Oh look, a tank!"
Meigs, Popular Mechanics assembled a team of researchers,
including "professional fact checkers" (impressive eh?) to debunk the
16 most common claims made by conspiracy theorists about 9/11.
Unsurprisingly, the PM editors claim that, in the end:

"we were able to
debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose
of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something
as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the
byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and
animosity into public debate."

In fact, a careful analysis of the article shows that at
most, just three of the sixteen claims could have been the result of
"reporting error", forcing us to assume that, in the razor-like,
emotionally unclouded cerebrum of Jim Meigs, at least 13 of the
conspiracy claims about 9/11 are the result of "cynical imaginations
aiming to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate".

The sad fact is that, while Popular Mechanics claims
to be interested in understanding what really happened that day, their
rebuttal of sixteen of the most common claims by so-called "conspiracy
theorists" about 9/11 isn't worth the $3.57 of server space that it has
so far cost them to publish it.

If there is one glaring hole in the arguments put forward by
9/11 conspiracy "debunkers", it is the fact that such people have never
come up with a reasonable argument to explain why, in the wake of 9/11,
so many obviously intelligent citizens became gripped by the
uncontrollable urge to continually waste their time recklessly and
fecklessly "injecting suspicion and animosity into public debate" for
no apparent reason. It really is a mystery. Maybe they're trying to
take over the world or something.

On the other hand, it doesn't take a degree in psychology to
understand the primary motivations of the conspiracy debunkers. You
see, the very last thing that many Americans (and others) want to
believe is that their government would attack its own people. For 9/11
"debunkers", logic and intellect have no part to play in investigating
the question of what really happened on 9/11. It's pure emotion all the
way.

In the beginning, on the morning of September 11, 2001 we
were all united in our emotional reactions: shock, horror, grief - (and
not to forget: jubilation from a bunch of Israeli Mossad agents).
As the emotion subsided, most went on with their lives, but a few stood
on, brows furrowed, scratching their heads. After considerable digging
and research, it became obvious that the official story did not
satisfactorily answer all of the questions, and the fact that officials
were refusing to answer those outstanding questions, gave rise,
logically enough, to a "conspiracy theory".

Not long thereafter, the debunkers stepped in, not because
they had the answers to the outstanding questions, but because they had
their emotional buttons severely poked by the fact that someone was
saying that their government was lying! Sadly, the editors at PM are no
different, and their little fear-inspired rebuttal of 9/11 conspiracy
theories is of little actual use to anyone, least of all to those who
really do want to know the truth of 9/11. Far from approaching the
matter with an open mind (which is crucial in any attempt to find the
truth), it is clear that Popular Mechanics' "professional
fact checkers" began with the premise that the US government was not
lying about the main events of 9/11, despite all of the evidence to the
contrary. From there, the objectivity and integrity of their research
went sharply downhill as they busied themselves with hunting down the
very same sources that provided the official story to confirm that the
official story was in fact correct. Apparently, in "debunkerland", it
is completely reasonable to ask U.S. government representatives to
testify that the U.S. government is squeaky clean and then present that
evidence as "fact". It is also kosher, we assume, to have a murder
suspect double as a credible court's witness in a murder trial.

For those of you who have looked unemotionally at the events
of 9/11, it is not unusual to be left wondering how those members of
the US government who were clearly complicit in the murder of 3,000 of
their own citizens can remain so smug and seemingly self-assured. To
find the answer we need look no further than the Jim Meigs' of this
world. You see, it is people like Meigs who lack any love or
appreciation for the truth and worship only their subjective view of
the world that make it so easy for big government to commit big crime.

At present there are millions of Americans and others around
the world who, aided by the years of social conditioning and media mind
programming, drew a very clear line around what they would and would
not believe about their government and country. Most of what was inside
the line was "feel good" stuff about "greatest democracy on earth" and
other jingoistic nonsense, with perhaps a few admissions that
"sometimes bad things happen" and "not everyone is a saint". This
mindset provided (and continues to provide) a perfect opportunity for
unscrupulous US politicians to literally get away with the murder of
which most of the US public refuse to believe they were, and are,
capable.

The result is that, for all intents and purposes, today there
are two Americas:

- The America of the average American citizen which is little
more than a government-provided dream world.

- The real America of the corrupt politicians and the select
few who run the country, and much of the rest of the world.

Luckily for the select few, this second, real America just
happens to lie outside of what many ordinary Americans are willing or
able to believe is possible. Lest anyone think otherwise, the setting
up of any accusation against government as being the domain of
"conspiracy nuts" is not the result of pure coincidence. Conspiracy
theories are as old as the first lie ever told and the subsequent
attempts by the liar to avoid exposure.

Most people think that "conspiracy theories" are made up by
"conspiracy theorists", but the term "conspiracy theory" is most often
used by those people who have most to gain from the ridicule of the
allegations that are directed at them. The tactic has been used to such
great effect over the years that certain high crimes committed by
government have become the touchstone by which all other "conspiracies"
are measured.

Take the folks at Popular Mechanics. In dealing with
9/11 they simply couldn't resist referencing that other most despicable
crime committed by a US government - but of course, to them it's just
another "theory":

"Don't get me wrong: Healthy skepticism is a good
thing. Nobody should take everything they hear--from the government,
the media or anybody else--at face value. But in a culture shaped by
Oliver Stone movies and "X-Files" episodes, it is apparently getting
harder for simple, hard facts to hold their own against elaborate,
shadowy theorizing."

Did you catch it? The reference to Oliver Stone can mean only
one thing: Jim's "fact checkers" contacted the CIA, and they told him
straight up that some bullets really can do magic things.

So far, we have been generous to the people at Popular
Mechanics. We have assumed that they are simply well-intentioned
but misguided souls. However, it appears that there is a more sinister,
and dare we say it, "conspiratorial" side to Popular Mechanics'
"innocent" debunking of 9/11 conspiracy theories. You see, it
turns out that one of the main contributors to the article is one
Benjamin Chertoff, a cousin of the new Dept. of Homeland Security Chief
Michael Chertoff.

American Free Press' Christopher Bollyn, who dug up
the information, also claims that Ben Chertoff's mother was a Mossad agent. While there
is, as of yet, no evidence of any working relationship between the two,
it is certainly noteworthy that the cousin of the current Homeland
Security Chief, (who, in his previous incarnation as head of the
Justice Department's criminal division was instrumental in the release
of obvious Israeli spies before and after 9/11), happens to be behind a
high-profile attempt to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories.

So if you happen to stop by the sorry article in question,
don't be fooled or intimidated by the word "science" in big bold
letters on the Popular Mechanics page. In Europe, McDonald's
drink cups have the words "I'm loving it" emblazoned across them in
various languages, regardless of what you put in them. Credit by
association or juxtaposition is one of the oldest tricks in the book of
mass mind programming. Just because "they" say it, doesn't make it so.
This simple, logical statement is a salient lesson for us all in these
heady days where disinformation masquerades as truth and even
"innocent" fun-loving "boys with toys" have become obedient workers in
the lie factory.

According to another 9/11
researcher:

"The editors of Scientific American followed in
the footsteps of Popular Mechanics in exploiting a trusted
brand in order to protect the perpetrators of the mass murder of
9/11/01. The column by Michael Shermer in the June, 2005 issue
of Scientific American, titled Fahrenheit 2777, is an
attempt to deceive the magazine's readers into dismissing the
overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was an inside job without ever looking
at that evidence. More specifically, Shermer attempts to inoculate
readers against looking at the decidedly scientific refutation of the
official storyâ€¦ [â€¦]

Shermer's column exhibits many of the same propaganda
techniques as the ambitious feature article in the March issue of Popular
Mechanics by Benjamin Chertoff, for which Shermer professes
admiration:

'The single best debunking of this conspiratorial
codswallop is in the March issue of Popular Mechanics, which
provides an exhaustive point-by-point analysis of the most prevalent
claims.'

Comparing the two attack pieces is instructive. Both
pieces mention a similar range of issues, with Shermer adding
Jewish conspiracy rumors and UFOlogists to the mix...

This last is undoubtedly a direct
reference to Signs of The Times, while avoiding giving a direct
link to our website out of fear that the reader might be influenced.

Shermer uses an array of deceptive methods to persuade the
reader that challenges to the official story of the 9/11 attack are
worthy only of ridicule and should not be scrutinized. His primary
technique is to use hoaxes and unscientific ideas to "bracket" the
valid ideas that he seeks to shield the reader from.

That Shermer went to such great lengths to thoroughly
misrepresent the painstaking, scientific, evidence-based work of many
researchers is a testament to the success of the Pentagon Strike Video!
It really stepped on a sore toe. And that tells us something important,
the same thing Carol Morello of the Washington Post wrote:

"â€¦the questions and theories expressed in the video got
a spurt of attention in early 2002, after the publication of a best
selling book in France, then the furor died down for a while, and now
they have re-emerged with the extraordinarily wide dissemination of
this video on the Internet."

We notice that
never, in any of the two major "debunking" articles that followed fast
on the heels of the Pentagon Strike video, was the video ever even
mentioned by name, nor was our
website mentioned. Other books, other researchers, other web sites
were mentioned, but the deliberate avoidance of Signs
of The Times - the origin of the Pentagon Strike, was conspicuous.
We notice the same trend in the Above Top Secret forum.

Again we point out: debunkers are sent in only when damage
control is needed. And damage control is only needed when it is thought
that there might be damage. That means that the Pentagon Strike is
understood clearly, in the minds of the perpetrators, to be the weak
link in their chain of lies.

Debunkers are sent in not to give answers to the outstanding
questions, but to push the emotional buttons of the public, to reassure
people who really want "a reason to believe" that their government is
not lying to them.

It should be clear by now that I am suggesting that there is
much more to the 9/11 attacks than most people are aware and what
really happened is very, very different from the official story.

Now we get to the interesting part.

If Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon what did, and how?

Two emails received by Signs
of the Times about one year ago, (identities concealed to protect
the correspondents) are quite informative:

Email #1

Greetings, I
have stayed out of this arena for a reason, but can no longer. I am a
Maintenence Mechanic here in the assembly plant in [XXX] where we build
these great aircraft. 747's-757's and 767's.

Lets do some
math for a minute, because those who believe a 757 hit the pentagon,
must also believe in the tooth fairy.

The melting temp
for brake shoes on a 757 is about 3000 degs., the landing gear struts
are solid cast aluminum; the center shafts for the engines are solid
titanium. The flame temp for low grade kerosene, (jet fuel) is around
800 degs.

If the 757 was
full of fuel, thats 14 pounds of aircraft per one gallon of fuel. Its
impossible to "completely incinerate" a 757 at that fuel-to-material
ratio. It would be the first time in history it did, and would defy the
laws of physics, period.

No 757 hit the
pentagon. Where's the engines, landing gears, APU's, stringers, fuel
cell walls, wing join assemblies? These are impervious to fire,
and, all have survived the worst fires ever seen on aircraft, and I've
seen them all.

Oh by the way,
if the 757 was "completely incinerated" as the gov't would have the
lemming masses believe, how did they come up with DNA from the ashes
for every passenger on board. DNA from ASHES!!!?? What a crock of shit.
Once you do the math, you'll quickly know that no 757 hit that
building, those who say one did, are liars, or have been told to be
liars lest they end up like Vince Foster and a few hundred others like
him.

Email #2

[...] I am
probably one of the most qualified people that you will meet to judge
some of the info about the Pentagon attack. I have served in the U.S.
Army for a number of years now, I have not only dealt with weapons of
every type you can imagine, I have also had a great deal of experience
with aircraft, not to mention my brother is an analyst for the military
who deals with a great many things.

First of all I
can guarantee that no missile did this (damage to the
Pentagon), none of the patterns add up for such a thing to work, damage
ratio is wrong, flight path is wrong, style of impact is wrong. Also
think of the item it was hitting, a hardened building made of concrete
and steal, all reinforced. Also I can tell you no large aircraft
did this [...]

I'm starting to
think that maybe it was a TL AM type 2 block 4, better known as a
tomahawk type 2 bunker buster with booster and hardened warhead.

While most would
say this is absurd because a weapon like that would have completely
leveled the Pentagon and a good deal around it, I am however still
inclined to believe that this might possibly be what did it. This is my
thinking on the matter: the new TLAMs are programmable to pick
entry point and detonation point, the hardened warhead on them
allows them to penetrate the hardest of buildings and they hit going
much faster than the old type 1s that are commonly seen in war footage
and test footage.

I think that
somehow one of our new type 2s found itself set on a guided path to the
Pentagon with a side impact and center detonation programming,
but for some reason the warhead didn't go off. That would give it the
energy to do the damage and drive through the walls like it did, but by
never exploding, it would still leave most of the building perfectly
intact like what was seen at the pentagon. The only problem I can see
with this scenario is there would have been no fire had this happened,
unless something inside the building started burning.

Now they could
have just mounted a much weaker warhead on the thing for the sole
purpose of starting the fire. If this is what happened though, then
someone wanted it to happen like this, to mount a type 2 with a weak
warhead not to mention set it on a path with the parameters that would
be needed for this. For no one to use the "safety" and blow it up mid
flight, it would have to be pretty damn deliberate.

Also the type 2
matches closer to the size proportions of the object that was captured
on video. I'm still only going on speculation here as are most of the
people who know that they are being lied to.

To tell you the
truth, I don't even think that the fire was at the low burning temp of
800 degrees, a fire that hot would have gone farther to bursting the
windows and distorting the structure of the building. The more I look
into and use my knowledge of missiles, the more I'm starting to think
that maybe it was something we haven't seen before and to not take the
risk of disclosing to the public that a test project went wrong or that
someone did this with something new of ours. They made up the
entire pentagon part of 911, at the very least, and went through a
whole lot of trouble doing it.

From the
evidence presented, we can propose that, due to its suitability for the
task in hand, it was a global hawk-type craft complete with a payload
of one missile with a shaped charge hardened war head and secondary war
head that struck the Pentagon on September 11th 2001. The first shaped
charge war head opened the main hole in the Pentagon facade, the second
war head detonated inside doing the rest of the damage and creating the
'T bar' of the final inverted T shape in the facade. The global hawk
was swallowed by the hole and the war head explosion. The hardened war
head continued on through the other 5 walls coming to rest in Ring C,
leaving that neat 8ft wide hole. The war head was then confiscated,
much like the various tapes that were witness to the event.

For its part, Flight 77 landed, probably at a military
airfield in Ohio around the same time that the Global Hawk and missile
struck the Pentagon. All passengers and crew on board Flight 77 were
dead by that time, except for one, two or three people. The bodies were
"disposed of", and some of the remains were used for identification by
the state pathologist.

Shocked? Outraged? You have every right to be, but not at us,
or anyone else that points out the logical explanation of the problem.
There exists overwhelming evidence to show that, as a general rule,
corrupt people in positions of great power do not flinch at murdering
their own citizens if it serves their purposes to do so. In some cases,
they will murder their citizens - and others - because it gives them
pleasure. Such people also, historically, are advocates and
practitioners of torture. If you disagree then you disagree with
historical fact. Welcome to the real world.

As Laura Knight-Jadczyk notes
in her book 9/11:The Ultimate Secret, the attack on the
Pentagon is the Achilles Heel of the entire 9/11 coverup, and for one
very good reason: while we all saw repeated footage of Flight 11 and
Flight 175 crash into the WTC towers, and we all saw the wreckage of
Flight 93 and have hundreds of eyewitness testimonies that a commercial
airliner did indeed crash in Pennsylvania, there is no
reliable evidence that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on September 11th
2001. No one has seen any footage that shows Flight 77
hitting the Pentagon, and the tapes that actually exist that could
easily and immediately prove what did hit that day, have been
confiscated by the FBI and the U.S. government studiously refuses to
release them.

The US government claims that
a Boeing 757 impacted the Pentagon on 9/11, many people dispute this,
yet the same American government refuses to release video tapes that
would put the matter to rest and show once and for all what hit the
Pentagon. Use your head and ask yourself, "why?"

There is one very obvious
answer.

I realise that this theory presents more questions than
answers. But since the complete answers to what really happened on 9/11
(and much more) are contained in the book "9/11: The Ultimate Truth", it would be remiss of
me to present them here. Suffice to say that Truth is much
stranger than fiction.